[iLoch]

While I don't think client side apps are the only way of doing things, I will say that I think client side apps will become much more popular once browsers get a little better.

I love the separation of concerns that is possible with JS apps - you can have one team working on the API and one on the interface and the only place they really need to communicate is in the API documentation. Once it's all done, you've already got a fully functional and secure API (because it wasn't an afterthought) that can be used for other clients.

[ChuckMcM]

   > I love the separation of concerns that is possible with ... one team working on the API and one on the interface

That is, in my opinion, the larger point. If you can do solid 'interface driven design' then you enable rapid evolution on both sides of the API. One of the things Jon Wall and I did at NetApp was prototype a better split of system across the RAID and Filesystem layers, that split achieved 50% better performance across the same spindles and it allowed for innovation in the file system layer that was currently hindered by "all the hooks into the RAID stuff".

The key though is picking the right layering, and not having too many. Like hashes in perl you can go crazy and suddenly everything is an API and simple things go through n layers and bog down.

When people tell me they want to be architects I ask them questions about layering, that is where you separate the good systems thinkers from the not so good ones.

[basicallydan]

> I love the separation of concerns that is possible with JS apps - you can have one team working on the API and one on the interface and the only place they really need to communicate is in the API documentation.

Yeah, me too. Apart from the actual, observable benefits you mentioned, I just find something really satisfying about the separation. Fewer hacks, easier to modify things.

I think the rise in the popularity of doing things this way is largely thanks to the increase in popularity of test-driven development. Creating a client app without an API is so easy given all the tools available for mocking or faking APIs, and creating a standalone API is easy given that most of the time, you're just testing the JSON or XML output of a bunch of functions.

[copergi]

>you can have one team working on the API and one on the interface and the only place they really need to communicate is in the API documentation

That's already how you should be working anyways. Unfortunately, most language don't seem to have support for a decent template system that makes this natural. People need to start making heist clones in their language of choice so doing things right becomes more common.

[iLoch]

I agree, but it's often too easy to just add another variable in your controller then modify the view, and now there's undocumented functionality. IMO the full separation is more helpful to stay DRY.