[chimeracoder]

> Therefore, most Android developers test small changes initially on a device.

That's also because deploying an APK on a test device (or several devices) is way easier than deploying an IPA on an iOS device.

As someone relatively new to iOS this past month or so, I was shocked by the number of hoops I have to jump through just to take a piece of code I've written and put it on a device that I own and is sitting right next to me[0].

Coming from Android development, I never thought twice about this - it's easy to push the APK to my phone as part of the build process, and I don't even have to plug my device in to do so.

[0] Including shelling out $99 for a certificate that gives me the permission to do so.

[mncolinlee]

I would argue that debugging is also infinitely easier in the Android world, since plugging a phone into USB and authorizing ADB gives you full control to see everything on the phone. You can get full logs and debug control over the hardware. You can push and pull stack traces and files to and from the device with a single, three operand command line and obtaining hardware screenshots requires only a click in IDE.

Android also has a plethora of debug options hidden in a special device settings menu that can be hugely helpful for troubleshooting performance issues.

[gress]

You do realize that all of those capabilities are available in XCode?

[stefan_kendall3]

Uh. It's way harder to setup an android device for debugging. I just had to plug in my iphone and tap "use for development" at the prompt.

I'm porting an iOS app to android right now, and android is way behind on the development side of things.

[krschultz]

After you setup the provisioning profiles correctly, get the build schemes right, etc etc. Oh and don't forget to send Apple your tax id!

I would highly recommend using Android Studio + Gradle over Eclipse. IntelliJ is a significantly better tool for writing and refactoring code than XCode. Some of the tight integrations between XCode and the phone are superior (especially around profiling), but overall I think IntelliJ is a much stronger tool. Even something as simple as doing layout is vastly better on Android. There is no choice between 'in code or in Interface Builder'. XML + the viewer in Android Studio is the best of both worlds.

I also think Relative Layouts accomplish 99% of what auto layout accomplishes in a much friendlier manner.

[stefan_kendall3]

I didn't have to do any of that. Xcode creates provisioning profiles for you, and appcode created the schemes I needed. I think Xcode does a decent job as well.

And you only need a tax ID if you're trying to imminently release a paid application or an app with IAP. But we're discussing development, not release.

[mncolinlee]

Okay. I guess I mostly used iOS with the simulator and have less experience with their hardware interface. I just found the feature set for ADB to be pretty dang impressive. Most developers never touch even 10% of the the features even though some are very useful. I'd love to see a side-by-side comparison if someone has a link.

On the other hand, having iOS connect easily to a debugger disproves nothing I said.

[stefan_kendall3]

"Obtaining hardware screenshots is just a click in the IDE"

I shouldn't need a computer attached to get screenshots for my app. Power + home button, or cmd+S in the simulator.

Even my users can easily send me screenshots, some of the time unprompted even.

[gress]

How is it easier than just pressing the build and run button on XCode?

[donut2d]

I think the problem he is having is with how to get to that point. There is a lot of setup to get to the point of just being able to hit the build and run button in Xcode. Of course, once that work is out of the way it's super easy.

[gress]

What setup work? Install Xcode from the App Store, and log in with your developer account? There is less involved than just downloading and unzipping the Android SDK

[wattson12]

(ignoring the creating the developer account) - create certificate(s)

- create provisioning profile(s)

- hit refresh in Xcode and hope it pulls in the profiles you want to use (maybe only an issue if you're a member of multiple teams)

- modify build settings

once you've done that its simple but there is definitely a setup overhead with Xcode and devices

[gress]

If you are not a member of multiple teams, this is all unnecessary.

The point is that the original comment is flat out false.

[wattson12]

In my experience anything that Xcode promises to just work, just doesn't but yes they have at least improved provisioning.

The original point was that there are steps to go through, and creating a paid developer account is a non trivial step

[JulianK]

I'm not sure if it has changed since I last made an ios app a while back, but there was a fairly large amount of security certificate provisioning and the interface for it, at that time at least, was unintuitive.

[gress]

It has changed. The certificate is created and provisioned to the device automatically by XCode.

[dubcanada]

They is the exact same amount of work involved with Android. iOS is actually significantly easier.