[pjmlp]

> You do realize there is a JVM preventing it from being a systems level language, right?

You do realize there are quite a few commercial JVMs that generate native code AOT like any of the referenced languages, right?

[sixbrx]

I presume they still have a largish runtime attached with complicates FFI especially if callbacks are involved. I've found Java FFI to generally be a pain.

Also, I think a lot of organizations would never approve using these in production, too likely that behavior will differ vs Oracle's or the OpenJDK VM's, the company won't be around in a few years, etc., and the gcj is very out of date from what I gather.

[pjmlp]

I did not mention gcj, it is a dead project since 2009.

I don't know, but I guess enterprises do trust Aicas, Aonix, IBM, Excelsior and quite a few others.

[joehillen]

That's too terrifying to imagine.

[pjmlp]

I fail to see why.