[garrettgrimsley]

Personal property laptop: You use it on your own.

Private property laptop: Someone else uses the laptop to perform work. You retain ownership of the laptop and the product of their labor.

It's a use distinction.

[atom-morgan]

Scenario: I use my own laptop to do work for someone else. Personal or private?

[shornlacuna]

You still use it on your own, so personal.

Anyway, once you abolish private property, most versions of 'working for someone else' go too, so this is somewhat academic.

[atom-morgan]

But, the end product belongs to the person I was working for. It's still personal property?

>once you abolish private property, most versions of 'working for someone else' go too

How so?

[shornlacuna]

Well if you are just making something for someone else, that's artisan labour, which isn't really the 'production' that's being analysed by Marx.

'Working for someone else' as found in 'employment' is also something that marxists seek to abolish. Collective ownership of the means of production also means collective ownership of the product of labour. You only have 'employment' per se when ownership of capital is concentrated in private hands.

(It's not for nothing that many marxists classify the former soviet union and post-Mao china as 'state capitalist' rather than 'socialist').