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by chimeracoder 4483 days ago
> The Bill of Rights is working just fine for me, thanks.

First, saying "things are worse in [some] other places that do not have a Bill of Rights" does not negate OP's point that "Far as I can tell, the first, fourth and seventh have all been forgotten about [in the US]".

> I speak and write freely, my personal possessions are safe from arbitrary seizure, and when I want a jury trial, I can get a jury trial. Many people around the world enjoy none of these freedoms.

You may enjoy those freedoms. But not all US citizens enjoy these freedoms.

On paper the Bill of Rights protects all US citizens, and all US citizens equally. In practice, that is very much not the case. As the saying goes, freedom of speech exists to protect those whose words critics want to silence, not those whose uncontroversial words have no critics. More broadly, the litmus test for the Bill of Rights is not whether your freedoms are being upheld, but whether all others' freedoms are being upheld.

It's not enough to simply say that "the implementation is imperfect" when the exact ways in which the implementation is failing are the exact ways in which it needs to succeed.

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There is a difference between an unsatisfactory enforcement of the Constitution, and its outright failure. Saying that "the first, fourth and seventh have all been forgotten about" sounds like the latter, but the reality is closer to the former.
After everything Greenwald and Snowden have given us you still believe this?
Point of fact: the word "citizen" does not appear in any article of the Bill of Rights.

They are restrictions upon the US government. In practice, this usually protects US nationals to a greater extent than any other nationality, but in theory, it should protect everyone on the planet from just one (particularly powerful) government. People elsewhere have their own government nastiness to deal with; they don't need to worry about ours as well.