[walshemj]

exactly a BART train driver earns about the same as a developer and will have overtime and a much much better pension.

Same in the UK a tube driver earns far more than the average developer does in London and has a Final Salary pension plus overtime.

[drakaal]

A BART "train driver" is responsible for the lives of hundreds at a time. Attended school, and takes ongoing continuing education classes to maintain their license. They compete for a few hundred jobs in the US and if they don't get or keep that job there is no competition locally to transfer to.

That "SV Engineers feel entitled" thing I said. You just demonstrated it.

[walshemj]

I am not saying that BART or LU Drivers are overpaid - but that the average SV programmer or London developer is not overpaid when compared to them - techies are not very good at organizing collectively.

Name me one SV tech company that has a final salary pension open to new joiners.

And sorry 95% of the safety is in the TPS system and I would probably bet that the EE's that design and look after that system for London Underground are not paid £60k plus overtime

[hga]

And won't become unemployable as a regular salaried employee around age 35-40.