[bifrost]

I was born in SF and have lived here most of my adult life. Our city government needs to be thrown away, it really is that bad.

That said, Google should never be allowed to run a public network for the city. Its like handing the NSA the keys to the kingdom.

Get the city to greenlight a company that actually cares about this stuff (http://www.sonic.net) and I'll be much happier.

[Decade]

I'm not entirely pleased with sonic.net. They have a nice business plan, but they don't care about the deep issues.

For example, Dane is against Net Neutrality, and he doesn't think IPv6 is terribly important.

The beta IPv6 service is manually configured, and some time around the weekend they changed my IP address via DHCP, breaking my IPv6 tunnel. I'm going to have to hunt down my sonic.net login so I can get my tunnel back. Or switch to an he.net tunnel.

[dotBen]

Do you have a link to qualify the statement Dane is anti NN? Knowing him and his business I find that hard to believe.

On IPv6 their implementation might be beta but most ISPs don't offer anything and don't care.

[bifrost]

NN as proposed is actually bad/horribad for all operators, so I wouldn't be surprised if Dane was against it. Its not even all that good for consumers for a variety of reasons but its not something that fits well into a HN comment.

I also can't say that I've ever had Sonic be unconcerned with deep issues. FWIW, my tunnel is fine although if yours is busted it seems like that'd be something you would have been notified about or was done as a mistake.

To caveat, I've known the Sonic guys forever, like since "I was installing modems for one of San Francisco's first ISP in 1995" forever. I've never had a bad experience with them, and I've dealt with a lot of operators...

[hueving]

What gives sonic more power against wiretapping with gag orders?

[a3n]

He said it's like handing NSA the keys.

Google's very business model is analyzing your bits and selling what that reveals about you. They do what the NSA does.

Sonic at the moment (as far as I know) only makes money from moving your bits, and doesn't much care what's in them. Any telecom in the future will probably not be able to resist the profit in selling you to advertisers, but at the moment they mostly don't, the occasional DNS advertisement notwithstanding.

[raldi]

> Google's very business model is analyzing your bits and selling what that reveals about you.

Do you really think that? What do you think would happen if you called up Google's sales team and said, "Hi, I'd like to buy your analysis of Mike Schiraldi's bits. How much will that cost me?"

[a3n]

Personalized ads.

People are a little too literal sometimes.

[raldi]

Your next sentence was, "They do what the NSA does" ... changing your meaning now to "oh I just meant personalized ads" is a huge backpedal.

[izzydata]

I'd sell my soul to google for fiber.

[a3n]

The problem with selling your soul is that you eventually miss it.