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by disgruntledphd2 4503 days ago
Ah, I see what the issue is here. I typically (used to) work in experimental placebo research, rather than clinical placebo research (I'm a psychologist by trade) so I would be more interested in those studies, rather than clinical trials.

In terms of what's left over after accounting for no treatment, Vase and H&G got into a big academic fight about this, and it appears that the effect size for placebo effects in pain is approximately (d=0.5), which is a relatively large effect (especially within psychology). This doesn't entirely account for experimenter effects, though with the use of a balanced-placebo design, those can be accounted for.

In terms of clinical trials, I would tend to agree with your second definition. Its not perfect, but its as good as it tends to get.

I think that one of the issues with placebo research is this notion of mind-over-matter, in that such a viewpoint is the reason that it is perceived as special, and also a reason why people disbelieve in it.

Based on old research (Levine, 1979) many (but not all) placebo effects in pain appear to be mediated by endogenous opioids,which I would take to mean that they are pretty naturally mediated by the brain, and so its a physical phenomenon. Many people do go a bit crazy with the woo around it though, I do agree.

Funny that this came up today, when I'm currently finalising a hopefully final draft of my thesis on the placebo (PROTIP: never, ever leave your university before submitting a PhD, it tends to go badly).

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Are you posting your thesis online? I'd like to have a look.
Its on Github, in a private repository. When I'm finished, I plan to make the repository public (which is probably going to be embarrassing).