[keithwarren]

So you have found some esoteric issues that are likely encountered by less than .01% of developers and this is somehow 12 years of crap from Microsoft?

I find it funny (not really) that somehow this floats up as the top comment when most developers have no clue what he is talking about but since this is HN and someone is saying how bad Microsoft is then lets upvote. Microsoft killed my pappy and all (ht to shanselman) so I must do everything I can to make sure no one else dares like them.

[bad_user]

So, instead of addressing his points, you instead chose to make fun of it, criticize HN and invoke a marketing piece to somehow prove your stance on the matter. Nice going.

Note that I find Roslyn an interesting project and it's always a WTF for me whenever I touch .NET that I'm not able to easily view/step through the source code of everything I use, including the standard library, so for those suffering, this article is actually good news - and I'm fed up with negative and uninformed opinions on anything interesting, especially on my current platform of choice that's very trendy to bash lately, which I won't name because it would defeat the purpose - because it's much easier to provide uninformed, non-constructive criticism then it is to build stuff, plus we tend to treat our favorites as sports teams with us behaving like cheerleaders, am I right or what?

But for the uninformed reader, such as myself, comments such as yours just add to the noise, I mean WTF?

[rottyguy]

I get your point but I do empathize with the OP in the msoft bigotry here gets really old. Those of us that use it feel ostracized and bucketted to second class citizen status. For those lost in the .net world, I'll say the feeling is mutual on the other side of the fence.

I suspect part of the grind is that code changes for microsoft requires a litany of testing and release planning and such. Being beholden to a paying userbase ties ones hands in numerous ways (god forbid their patch breaks something else). That said, there is no excuse for sloppy communication.

[keithwarren]

NEWSFLASH: Stepping through the framework sources has been available for several years. Roslyn, which is a re-architecting of the compiler itself is not somehow going to change this or make it better.

[bad_user]

Oh, so can I open the project in the IDE, click on any identifier and have the source-code of the library in question automatically downloaded, after which the IDE would navigate to the right file and line? I also expect it to work while debugging, no matter the library I'm using, including the standard library, so does it work?

Because that's what I expect from a "modern" developer's environment in year 2014.

[d0]

This perhaps 0.01% of the problems I've encountered for reference.

I work in other ecosystems as well and there's just not as much crap to deal with by several orders of magnitude.

[bottompair]

Which ecosystems? And if you work in those as well then why are you bothering with an ecosystem that has "several orders of magnitude more crap"?

.01% is a small number - so you have 3,000-4,000 problems with the CLR and .NET framework.

Sorry to translate literally, but this kind of gross exaggeration and lack of data is what creates the "Microsoft sucks!!" attitude that is based on a 10-year old reality (at best).

[keithwarren]

To quote Bill Nye - I find this claim to be extraordinary.