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by 9876543210 4494 days ago
The most irritating part about Jaynes' concept is the premise of alienation foisted upon ancient people, as if they were all dimwitted, half insane, immature fools, each with barely the intellect of a second grader.

I honestly don't buy that for half a second. I think there were a great many very shrewd charlatans, who knew damn well they were telling ghost stories and bluffing each other into superstition, wherever they could fit in a con game that played to their advantage.

Sure, there's always lively mataphysical debate in every culture. Fine, ancient people lacked a precise understanding of the subtleties of things like microbial life. But the rest of the macroscopic world was rational enough to keep most people grounded, in my opinion.

Different people have different takes on what a "god" is. Hallucinations and dreams are powerful psychological cues, but I don't think they represent the common perception for the origin of either polytheistic or monotheistic gods.

For most cultures, I think it's pretty obvious that "The Gods" simply represent a conversational placeholder for forces of nature with origins that are not well understood. In monotheistic religions, I think we see a shift in the broader social understanding that large groups of humanity represent an untamable force unto itself (mob rule), which must also be respected as an emergent hazard in addition to The Weather, The Sea, Disease and other such forces of nature.

In most sane scenarios, I think people are quick to understand that talking to a toy soldier carved from a block of wood will only serve so much purpose. I don't think people bought into such practices as deeply as we like to sometimes think. I think ancient people merely keyed into the premise of rubber ducky programming, when they needed to talk things out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_duck_debugging

When Socrates was ostracized for lack of piety (in The Apology), I think it was quite obvious to everyone, that he was getting the shaft because he was a busy body, and not because he failed to worship stone temples properly. Most executions related to religion are highlighted for their obvious social implications, in that the religion is a whitewash, and the reality is that the motives were political at their core.

Yeah, cults happen with relative frequency, and the shifting sands of the social order can present a murky atmosphere of moral relativism, but ultimately I lend myself to the opinion that evolution favors those with good survival instincts and a balanced mind.

I sincerely doubt that the vast majority of the ancient world was universally suffering from mass hallucinations, to the point where they all agreed to blow the same mental gasket, drink the kool-aid, and buy into the spaghetti monster.