[Renaud]

I'm not sure why we only consider that this manuscript is either a hoax or a forgotten language. Why can't it be an expression of whimsical fantasy?

When I was 12, as an introvert kid with too much imagination, I started inventing my own language. I would make up words, sometimes based off various other languages, sometime simply based on how they sounded.

It had a couple of different writing systems, one was a slightly modified version of Greek alphabet, another, more complex, was made of dots and small squiggles that were fast to write (I was fascinated with the Arabic writing system at the time and took inspiration from it even though it didn't look anything like that).

I would write pages of nonsense in that writing system, just to see how it would flow or change over time, just to find patterns, just to have fun.

I even invented my own calendar, using the 88 day revolution of Mercury around the Sun as the year.

When I look at the Voynich Manuscript, all I see is the product of a fertile imagination that went a lot farther than my early teenage attempts at building a coherent world for myself.

I believe that these unconvincing attempts at finding meaning elsewhere -or degrading the object by calling it a hoax- are distracting us from the real beauty of this work of love and imagination.

[pavanky]

Unlike late 20th century, Writing in the 15th century was rare and a costly endeavor. It is possible that it is an expression of whimsical fantasy. But it would be highly unlikely for this reason.

[Renaud]

Well, it certainly point toward a rich patron in any case, someone who could afford all this manual labour.

But what is more likely? That this is a forgotten language of which only a single mystifying example exists (ignoring the completely unlikely plants being described in the manuscript), or that it is a work of fantasy that has merits of its own?

[Luc]

I know several dialects that are dying out, that lived and evolved for hundreds of years within 50km of each other, each of which is practically incomprehensible to a speaker of the other. Seeing them in written form is painful, because some kind of mapping has to be invented to the latin character set, and I can absolutely see someone inventing their own characters for the sounds not represented.

[indrax]

Now you are making a false dichotomy.

[carbon43]

I just created a user account for the first time to tell you that he is not actually making a false dichotomy. Had he initially presented those two as the only possible options, you would be correct. But in his response what he was in fact doing was asking which of two choices seemed more realistic, in the context of his initial statement being questioned.

Sorry.

[wavefunction]

A botanist disagrees with your assessment of the plants described in the Manuscript:

http://phys.org/news/2014-02-botanists-voynich-similar-mexic...

[Renaud]

That out of the 300+ plants described about 12% could match some existing ones doesn't really allow anyone to make definitive conclusion as to whether these plants could be real. I'm sure you could match some of the simple ones to more than one plant and that still 85%+ that are unaccounted for.

Beside, that doesn't detract from the fact that the author of the manuscript could still have found inspiration into existing plants, imagination doesn't preclude a basis in reality.

Maybe the manuscript was written in Mexico. Maybe it is written in a cypher to obfuscate the fact that some of its content might be believed to be heretical (it contains a fair amount of naked women and appears to have some diagrams and illustrations that may relate to a theory of the origins of life or an animistic explanation of natural phenomena).

In an case, it's certainly an interesting subject of research, but I still think that the possibility of it being a work of pure fiction, maybe for the sole amusement of an eccentric rich patron, is a possibility.

[DanBC]

I've seen pictures of animals that were described to an illustrator. They're pretty far from the actual animal. Is that possible here?

I imagine drawing a plant from a dry mangled sample is going to be tricky.

[wavefunction]

Certainly. I agree with many of your excellent points. One other possibility is that this Manuscript copied from those earlier texts while 'adding' additional 'wholly new' creations. Or even that our knowledge of the bio-diversity of Central and South America is still lacking...

When this was still a curio with no apparent ties to any part of the world, I figured it was simply another 'esoteric knowledge system' using symbols and the structures of the information to convey that information without giving it away to the uninitiated. I wondered about the placement of leaves and vascular systems, colors used in combinations, the combinations of animals and plants and placements on the page. All the sorts of things esoteric scholars used to encipher their information in other works.

I think this final bit is what captivates the modern mind: we yearn to understand, even if the subject might turn out to be "meaningless" beyond a work of fantasy.

[coldtea]

>ignoring the completely unlikely plants being described in the manuscript

There's nothing "completely unlikely" about them. Most have even been indentified.

[bunderbunder]

Perhaps not unlike the Codex Seraphinianus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Seraphinianus

[Renaud]

Exactly.

Imagine if that was written a few centuries ago and was recently discovered without being able to know who wrote it or be able to replace it within its context. I'm pretty sure all sorts of people would speculate wildly about its hidden meaning.

[cgore]

I did a similar thing too. I wrote a lot of bad adventure fiction in Runic around that same age, around 10-12. I still have most of it.

[klibertp]

Too much imagination? You've since lost too much of it if you think there is such a thing as "too much imagination" :)

[driverdan]

> I'm not sure why we only consider that this manuscript is either a hoax or a forgotten language.

Because researchers have spent years studying it and have come to the conclusion that those are the two most likely scenarios. I'm sure they considered and eliminated others.