[munificent]

This is slightly related and I don't want to sound like I'm trying steal its thunder, because this looks really cool. I work on the asset pipeline that comes with the Dart SDK. It has many of the same principles as these.

Any transformation step can read in many input files and produce many output files. The built-in dev server tracks the entire asset dependency graph and only rebuilds the assets that are dirtied by a source file changing.

We have a plug-in system, and it's built on top of the same package management system that the SDK uses, so you can get transformer plug-ins as easily as you can get any other dependency.

We still have a lot of work to do to fully flesh things out, but it already does a lot, including supporting complex scenarios like transformers whose own code is the output of a previous transformer.

More here: https://www.dartlang.org/tools/pub/assets-and-transformers.h...

[pekk]

Why can't Dart reuse (or provide) a tool that also works for things other than Dart?

Why does every language need to have its own everything unique to itself?

[munificent]

This is a great question. There are two main reasons:

1. The asset build system is built on top of a bunch of policies and conventions specific to our language's package manager. The build system needs to be able to locate plug-ins somehow, and it's hard to define that "somehow" without some kind of assumptions for how dependencies are located and organized.

2. Like other platforms, we want to minimize external dependencies. If we reuse grunt, then every user has to have node and npm installed. There's nothing wrong with that, of course, and many users do already, but we'd like to avoid forcing that dependency.

3. Since the build system is plug-in based, we need a way for the build tool and plug-ins to communicate with each other. We want that API to be simple so that it's easy to create plug-ins. Since they're sending entire assets through that communication channel, we need it to be efficient too. It's hard to do that in a language-agnostic way.

4. We want to make it as easy as possible for people to contribute to the build system and various build plug-ins. Since we already assume users know Dart, then when those components are also written in Dart, it increases the chances that they are able to pitch in and help.

I don't like walled gardens or feeling like we're reinventing the wheel (though I'll note that before this announcement, I wasn't aware of many other build systems that were as many-to-many based as ours), but there is value in having things be internally consistent.

[bilalq]

There's always value in being able to stick to one language. I've worked on a project where we had a Gemfile, Gruntfile, composer.json, bower.json, .bowerrc, and package.json all within the same repository.