[chrissyb]

>I also don't see why people need to use grids.

"Discipline is a set of self imposed rules, parameters within which we operate. It is a bag of tools that allows us to design in a consistent manner from beginning to end. Discipline is also an attitude that provides us with the capacity of controlling our creative work so that it has continuity of intent throughout rather than fragmentation. Design without discipline is anarchy, an exercise of irresponsibility."

Massimo Vignelli http://www.vignelli.com/canon.pdf

I think if we continue to use the term "Web Designer" then the use of grids is more than acceptable.

In postscript I will however admit that I am a complete html novice so perhaps your point is quite valid.

[hiphopyo]

Indeed, as with my earlier link (http://subtraction.com/pics/0703/grids_are_good.pdf), I'm not arguing against grids as a design tool. I'm arguing against transferring them programatically to HTML and CSS when tools like http://hashgrid.com/ allows you to transfer them visually just fine.

People argue they need grids for their websites to be responsive, but that is not what grids are for. At least not according to Massimo Vignelli.

[chrissyb]

Thanks for the link, it was a good read.

I understand where you are coming from now. Can you suggest a good article for reading up on "gridless" responsive design?

I've just been looking at http://thatcoolguy.github.io/gridless-boilerplate/

It would be good to learn more about this philosophy.

[hiphopyo]

Interesting link. Cheers mate. Unfortunately I do not have any more info on this subject.