[waps]

The EU commission has several directives MANDATING member states implement internet surveillance. If you think "human rights" means no surveillance ... Where do you even get that idea ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Retention_Directive

The EU commission mandates that any ISP and/or Telco stores for 6-24 months the full list of everyone you've contacted, on phone, on the internet.

They are proposing, right fucking now, that that information is mandated to include all searches done one the internet (that such is technically not possible - currently - does not bother lawyers, and I think you'll find all EU commissars are lawyers. They'll just force search engines to give them their ssl root keys).

Note that they also had a court case against Ireland when it refused to order it's ISPs to spy on everyone, and won. In other words they forced internet surveillance on the one country that wasn't already doing this.

Likewise this proposal would enable them to force this on non-member states and you can bet that's exactly what they're looking to do.

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Article 8 & 10 of the European Convention on Human Rights?

Well aware that they are proposing stupid stuff, but surely that's unenforceable? In any case, it's one of those where I'd argue the problem is therefore up to them to reconcile the stupid surveillance laws with their more fundamental principles.

[waps]

In one of our courses on copyright law I heard this from the professor teaching that class :

"While yes, there are a lot of exceptions to contract law, I would like to state that only a fool signs a contract he thinks to be unenforceable"

Likewise I'd adopt the attitude of not letting laws pass no matter how unenforceable you think they are.