[smoyer]

Did you ever notice that when someone says "I don't want to seem/sound/look XXXXX", they follow it with a statement that can be perceived that way.

You do seem full of hatred. If the employees had started IBM, bought out their division or otherwise owned the business, I'd agree with everything you say. In this case, management should also be sacked - On the other hand, maybe part of management's failure was hiring too many employees?

[razzmataz]

You never know, maybe they will be sacked after these layoffs are taken care of. One place I worked at, two managers were each told to select one of their underlings for layoffs. After they made their selections, the managers were then laid off.

[smoyer]

IBM is selling, consolidating and closing whole lines of business ... there's nothing that says anyone has to be employed when they're done. I saw a layoff similar to what you described once ... a few of the managers laid off everyone in their groups, then the next day, HR came in from corporate, laid them off and closed the building down.