[PhasmaFelis]

> there is a very vocal, very vitriolic subsection of the feminist movement

It's also a tiny and unpopular subsection of the feminist movement. They're outnumbered a hundred to one by dudes who like to use them as strawmen.

> only recently has the value of women in society dropped to that of men.

I don't think that makes any sense. I mean, I literally don't understand what you're trying to say, and none of your assertions seem to be relevant to each other.

[vezzy-fnord]

It's also a tiny and unpopular subsection of the feminist movement. They're outnumbered a hundred to one by dudes who like to use them as strawmen.

Hardly.

Virtually every feminist scandal that attracts any attention whatsoever is about postmodern feminists and their oversensitive antics.

The most popular feminist media, including Feministing and Jezebel, as well as articles on HuffPost and Slate, deal with postmodern radical ideologies.

Academia has also long been dominated by them.

Either they're not some "tiny and unpopular subsection" and actually a majority, or the logically vast majority of "reasonable" (depending on your views) feminists are doing precisely jack shit.

[PhasmaFelis]

Are you saying that the only feminists who count are the ones who cause scandals? I don't follow.

Is this the same viewpoint that says that all Muslims are terrorists because those are the ones that make the news? (Because "Local Mosque-Goers Are Pleasant Neighbors" doesn't sell newspapers.)

[vezzy-fnord]

No, absolutely not.

Obviously sensationalism sells. But the issue here is that your initial assertion of postmodern feminists being a "tiny and unpopular subsection" is a falsehood. As I said, most popular feminist publications today, both in mainstream journalism and in academia, belong to the former school.

This includes the feminism in the tech industry, the ideology of which is expressed in resources like the Geek Feminism Wiki, perhaps the crown of everything that is wrong with postmodernism summed up into a single anecdotal wiki with virtually no editorial standards beyond "Does it fit in the echo chamber?".

Then, let's face it: when postmodernists and radicals get all the attention, while all the supposed good and moderate feminists receive absolutely none... you have a problem. Your movement is being hijacked. You can underestimate the issue all you want, but the fact is it's the postmodernists who are actually making an influence.

[AutoCorrect]

>I don't think that makes any sense. I mean, I literally don't understand what you're trying to say, and none of your assertions seem to be relevant to each other.

Think about it this way: which sex has historically been unequally represented in the most dangerous jobs? And which sex is STILL the only sex that has to sign up for the draft?

And sure they're relevant.

[vacri]

They're outnumbered a hundred to one by dudes who like to use them as strawmen.

Well said, but I think you've lowballed this figure.

[TeMPOraL]

> It's also a tiny and unpopular subsection of the feminist movement.

Is it? Pretty much every discussion here about women in IT is quickly dominated by those voices. See e.g. the recent "bro pages" hate.