[ferongr]

Analog limiter ICs (that I know of) limit the signal according to input voltage, something that does not catch this issue. Furthermore, limiting power at the audio codec level would require for the codec to have that feature and I don't know of audio codecs with that capability.

[weland]

Cheap shit. Seriously, cheap shit. There are several ways to solve this, all of which boil down to "use more chips" or "use better speakers", thus increasing the price of already incredibly shitty speakers. Source: I'm involved in designing consumer electronic products and the only corners that don't get cut are those that, if cut, result in certifications not being granted and therefore in products you're unable to sell. Everyone, Apple included, does it.

The easiest way to solve this is use stronger materials for the speaker construction. This does, yes, affect the quality of the sound, which is already somewhere between catastrophic and abysmal on a laptop. The frequency response is likely to be worse, on a set of speakers that already has a frequency response that makes them quite useless for music.

You can also do it in electronics, as measuring the power delivered to speakers is not exactly rocket science. The response time wouldn't be great, but it's continuously shredding the speakers with square signals that damages them, not a couple of pulses every once in a while. You can also detect heavy slopes. You can even detect heavy slopes in software.

But no, seriously, this is a problem that can be solved. The mere fact that a lot of manufacturers manage to come up with speakers that don't break should be a testimony to this. I have (granted, desktop) speakers that have gone through a decade of heavy metal, grindcore and fucking SIDs and MODs, on bad ALSA drivers that I could barely get to work for years. They're fine. This is just Dell selling cheap shit.

[etjossem]

This is great information - and I'd love to know which speaker manufacturers you approve of. I'd rather own an expensive set of desktop speakers that lasts ten years than deal with Dell parts breaking all the time.

[fnordfnordfnord]

Get a pair of these. Don't pay more than $40 for the pair. They are quite decent, especially at this (retail) price point. Dayton Audio B652 6-1/2"

[weland]

> I'd love to know which speaker manufacturers you approve of

I have no idea how things go in the laptop market, so I can't say there's one I approve of in particular. The fact that the ones on the laptops are crap can, however, be assessed quite easily by ear :).

[yuhong]

Why Apple included?

[guard-of-terra]

Then one should figure out why nobody needed this feature.

I'm no expert but maybe it's actually possible to create speaker that doesn't go bad.

(I could code the protection into the sound driver in half a day probably)

[TeMPOraL]

> I'm no expert but maybe it's actually possible to create speaker that doesn't go bad.

Of course it is, but nobody wants to do that; it's not profitable. * sigh * .

I sometimes wonder how difficult would it be to create, say, a brand of kettles with lifetime warranty, designed to last 50+ years instead of 50+ weeks the ones we have do. How hard would it be to sell them and to what ends would the competition go to stop you from killing their market?

[PhantomGremlin]

Over on this side of the pond we generally use "coffee makers" instead of "kettles". But the problem is the same. They fail after a few years. It's all cheap consumer crap made in China.

We've given up trying to buy "good" coffee makers. We just buy something cheap that's on sale and throw it away when it breaks. There should be the equivalent of "Gresham's Law" for consumer goods (the bad eliminates the good). But I don't know the name of that. Perhaps "China's Law" would be appropriate.

[laumars]

We have coffee makers as well, but you can't make a cup of tea with a coffee machine.

Nor make a cup-a-soup, pot/instant noodles, pre-boil water for cooking veg, hot water bottle, etc.

[PhantomGremlin]

I used to boil water in a stovetop kettle. But that takes too long. So now I just use the microwave. Take a teabag, pour cold water over it, nuke for 90 seconds, DONE!

Of course it doesn't taste nearly as good as pouring hot water from a kettle onto a teabag, but it's so fast and convenient.

And I don't think anyone in the USA buys loose tea. It's all teabags here (i.e. probably 99% of the market).

[laumars]

The microwave trick not only tastes bad, but it also doesn't heat evenly as you get patches of boiling water and patches of cold water.

Modern kettles boil in about 2 minutes anyway. So I don't really see them as any more inconvenient than using the microwave. The real inconvenience is having to get up to switch the device on; what I really want is a networked kettle so I can boil it from the comfort of my seat hehe

[ihateloggingin]

Microwave just the water, then put the teabag in after. Then it will taste the same.

[guard-of-terra]

I never had either failing speaker or failing* kettle in my life so it's hard for me to say anything. Maybe there just so much you can get from laptop speakers so it makes sense to cap their power hard?

* Some no loger turn off automatically, tho

[SixSigma]

> * Some no loger turn off automatically, tho

And you don't think a kettle burning its way through your kitchen is a fail !

[amenod]

Kettle: I had one with the same problem. That's a terminal failure to me...

[fnordfnordfnord]

Dell isn't winning much on this. The service calls and now the reputation hit cost them more than they could make repairing laptops.