[calcnerd256]

I will use this, because the last time I wanted to upload a picture to facebook, I had to use some awful Java applet that crashed my browser (Note: this is not so much anti-Java as anti-today's-implementations-of-things-surrounding Java).

[chrisbolt]

(Note: this is not so much anti-Java as anti-today's-implementations-of-things-surrounding Java)

How is that not anti-Java? Today's implementations (there's more than one?) of things surrounding Java are all we have.

[calcnerd256]

Yes, there's more than one. On Ubuntu, for instance, just look at how many JVMs there are to choose from in the package manager.