[joshAg]

I wasn't trying to say anything bad about st. louis, just trying to give him a scale to compare to, since he said he had no idea about the size of st. louis. Oakland and SF are actually similarly sized geographically; Oakland's only got ~55 sq. miles of land and SF has ~49 sq miles of land. And each is surrounded by smaller separate cities that should probably just merge into the larger city already.