[outworlder]

> also they create couses with years (2 to 4) long courses

This seems to be a newer trend. The courses used to be much longer than that, to the order of 8 to 10 years.

Yeah, you read that right. Unless you took shortcuts (I had placement tests every once a while which let me skip several years), you'd spend a decade 'learning' English.

They were either creating the curriculum for the lowest common denominator, or the courses were a scam.

My brother skipped all the nonsense and learned enough English to have meaning conversations at age 8, playing Ultima Online. Then a couple of semesters after that helped with the vocabulary and pronunciation.

That, and movies, and setting the operating system to English, after some nagging on my part.