[joosters]

Not at all. Is betting on a football match purely luck? Of course not, there's the skill of the teams and luck involved.

Investing == gambling. You can buy shares. Or you can make a bet with a spread-betting financial company that pays out in the same way that the shares do. We call one investing and other gambling, but there is no difference.

[jbellis]

The crucial distinction is that buying shares is not a zero sum game; it's possible for all investors to "win."

This is not the case in gambling or commodities markets; for me to win, someone else has to lose.

[joosters]

Why is that different from share deals? There's a buyer and a seller... if one of them wins, the other by definition must lose.

Call whatever you do 'investing' if it makes you happy, but as I said before, you can replicate financial 'investments' with spread-betting 'bets' and you will make the same gains and losses.

[dragontamer]

The #1 trade you make in investing is trading "money today" for "money tomorrow". The specifics of how to trade "today's money" for "tomorrow's money" differ in the forms of bonds, stocks, or options... but its all the same.

Someone wants money today, and is willing to give up more money tomorrow for that money today.

If it weren't for big stock IPOs, Angel Investors and Venture Capitalists wouldn't invest into startups. Not everyone is looking to hold stock for 20 or 30 years... especially Angel Investors who are addicted to helping out small startups.

Buying stock from an Angel Investor who is IPOing allows the Angel Investor to invest into another small company, and transfers the ownership of a (used to be) startup, to your control. IE: Facebook and Twitter. Angel Investors would rather own a smaller, more volatile company... while the typical investor would rather own the bigger, more stable companies for their retirement.

Its not necessarily about "winning" and "losing". If an early Facebook investor liquidates his $$$ in Facebook, it allows him to help out another company. He doesn't care how Facebook does in the future, because he's far more interested in helping startups.

Again, its win/win for everyone. Everyone benefits when the Venture Capitalists sell off their stocks to the Stock Market.

[im3w1l]

>if one of them wins, the other by definition must lose.

No. If you sell shares to pay for living expenses you do not lose. If you dilute your shares to raise capital to make your remaining shares worth more you do not lose.

[golden_apples]

The analog to that goes something like: all participants in a hand of blackjack can win. And even the house doesn't ”lose”: it makes an expected payout, which incentivizes the players to continue in the game, which over time will enrich the casino more.