[stephp]

HN readers in these gender discussions are so outright condescending, hateful, and knowingly, deliberately unreasonable-- not to mention "othering"-- it makes me consider never coming to this website ever again.

Thank you for being a voice of reason, even though doing so can be incredibly frustrating in its fruitlessness sometimes.

[aaren]

Please stay. Don't let the vocal minority dissuade you. There are a good number of people here that do care. Gender is being increasingly discussed here now, which inevitably draws out this discussion.

I really think that this site will become more inclusive, but it needs your voice (and your votes).

[mtrimpe]

Thank you.

[MartinCron]

As someone else said, it's a hot-button issue that brings out a vocal minority of the insecure and/or deliberate trolls. I know it's ugly, but please consider sticking around to try to help.

[Jun8]

Before resorting to name calling ("troll") or useless stereotyping ("the insecure") of people disagreeing with you please try to understand what some of these people are trying to say. I don't think the comments made by ravetkn and obstacle1, for example, do not quite fit the typical troll pattern.

This is a grown up forum, differing view points should be securely discussable, including race and gender issues. AFAIK, offensive comments were made by users on "both sides" (whatever that means in this case).

The problem is that people come from the angle of "we hold these truth to be self evident" and/or universal and become upset when people try o argue on the contrary. This is normal human nature, but on HN we should be able to do better.

[MartinCron]

Before resorting to name calling ("troll") or useless stereotyping ("the insecure") of people disagreeing with you please try to understand what some of these people are trying to say

I never said that absolutely everyone who disagrees with me is a troll, or insecure, or both, I'm saying that these threads tend to bring out some terrible behavior from a vocal minority. That's not a controversial position.

I want, more than anything, a meaningful discussion on these issues. I also know that "But what if I had a conference FOR JUST MEN? What about that, you SOCIAL JUSTICE WARRIOR?!" isn't meaningful discussion at this point.

[Sssnake]

>HN readers in these gender discussions are so outright condescending, hateful, and knowingly, deliberately unreasonable-- not to mention "othering"

Seriously, wtf people?

>Thank you for being a voice of reason

Oh, I thought you were referring to the disgusting tripe you replied to. Wow, amazing how people can view things differently huh?

[stephp]

You can't see the irony in this.

[Sssnake]

I can't see the irony I just pointed out? Are you sure about that?