[drharris]

It's all very important and necessary. Only the sheep-like are ok with a government that operates in secret against its own citizens. They have pitted themselves in an information war against their own citizenry. Like corporations amass patents, our only weapon to defend ourselves is as much information as we can gather about them.

[tptacek]

No, that's not necessarily true. For instance, the "spymall catalog" contained no revelations about NSA abuses against Americans, only details of intelligence tradecraft.

[Zigurd]

That's only true if we are truly far past the days of COINTELPRO.

[tptacek]

Indeed, it's also only true if NSA isn't concealing the existence of the Groom Lake aliens who have taken over the USG.

[Zigurd]

You really think that COINTELPRO-type ops are are likely as space aliens? Or is that just gratuitous condecension?