[JoeAltmaier]

I think its the loaded work 'privilege' that gets peoples' dander up. It intended to insult, and its the wrong word. Privilege is something given undeservedly, something that can be taken away, and exercised to the exclusion or detriment of others. Being born as whatever(white-male) is not a good fit for that definition. It wasn't given, it cant be taken away, and its not 'exercised' intentionally by any means.

The word is just used to make people feel guilty. So they lash back. Not a helpful discussion technique. Why not just say 'genes' or 'heredity' if that's what we mean?

[aaren]

> Why not just say 'genes' or 'heredity' if that's what we mean?

Because privilege derives from many sources and is much more complex than any one of them.

It is unfortunate that it is sometimes used, or taken, to shut people out. This is not the intention of the word. At its best it calls someone to take account of their unconscious biases.

[vezzy-fnord]

Exactly, privilege is complex. The world does not work in absolutes.

The postmodern feminist has a very simplistic and Western-centric (particularly American-centric) worldview where being white and male makes you prosper, but being black or white and female makes you suffer.

This fails to address for countless nuances and by default simply stating "You're white, ergo you're instantly privileged." is just false and dishonest.

It's also funny how the end goal is to foster social equality, yet when you have every single slightly different group forming its own political advocacy and demanding radical shifts in human behavior/special accommodations, you're only stratifying things even further. I guess this can be warranted if people focused on actual issues, but instead most of our attention in the Western world is focused on people making ribald jokes in public places.

[LaGrange]

> This fails to address for countless nuances and by default simply stating "You're white, ergo you're instantly privileged." is just false and dishonest.

That’s not what modern (that is intersectional) feminism says. It says that whiteness gives you privilege over colored people. It says that being male gives you privilege over people who are female. And being rich gives you privilege over people who are poor. An interaction between a middle-class black man and a rich white woman can be a fascinating minefield, where either of them can be the „oppressed” side depending on the context. In fact it’s getting more popular to use the word „kyriarchy” to avoid the overly-specific „patriarchy”.

Of course yes, many feminists actively hate intersectionality, and others don’t completely grasp the context. But ignoring its existence in modern feminism shows certain amount of ignorance or bad will. The radical thought goes against the dominance-obsessed behavior in general.

[vezzy-fnord]

It says that whiteness gives you privilege over colored people.

Not inherently and once again, very centric to Western culture.

It says that being male gives you privilege over people who are female.

Historically and still in certain areas, yes. But once again complicated and dishonest to inherently portray it as such. Especially in the West, where it can be completely false. That or the privileges of being male are equalized by the privileges of being female (and please don't tell me they don't exist).

And being rich gives you privilege over people who are poor.

Oh wow, and bears shit in the woods. No wonder people mock the social sciences.

In fact it’s getting more popular to use the word „kyriarchy” to avoid the overly-specific „patriarchy”.

Kyriarchy is a moronic term, as virtually all systems have some concept of power or control.

[macimumloam]

I think privilege is definitely meant to get peopled dander up so that they discuss it. Also, as I understand it, the privilege isn't being white, its the average benefit that being white will yield you

[JoeAltmaier]

So, it gets white males upset, who have all the power. Not very constructive. Further the benefit is accrued through the actions of OTHER people. So who's the right one to educate?

I think the discussion is mostly confused and non-productive, when it resorts to using charged words over the correct ones, and seeks to insult those who admittedly wield more power.