[animus9]

Actually most men who program are just interested in it. Same with the ladies. Discussing gender is irrelevant to this forum. This new age jargon will have a short shelf life once the truth gets out. Those who sow seeds of discord will soon have to reap their crops.

[_bfhp]

There's a gender imbalance in the programming field. This, to many, is worthy of thought. If you think you really know what's relevant to be discussed on Hacker News, you should shoot pg an email volunteering to moderate, see how that goes

[pyrocat]

So how's your militant MRA cult going?

[jacobtracey]

What?

[DanBC]

Animus9 is an obvious mens rights advocate.

They are indistinguishable from trolls; the only difference being that they believe the stuff they say.

[_bfhp]

@poorelise - you seem unfamiliar with what DanBC means by "mens rights advocate" -- let me help you:

Men’s Rights Activists advocate for ‘human rights’ with rape and death threats - http://feministcurrent.com/7555/mens-rights-activistsadvocat...

The most persuasive MRA ever - http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2013/06/11/the-most-p...

White Hot Rage: the men's rights movement - http://prospect.org/article/white-hot-rage

[nthrow]

Cherry picking incidents involving the actions of disturbed individuals to attempt to smear a multifaceted movement is intellectually dishonest. That's like claiming all Muslims are terrorists because some Muslims are.

[DanBC]

MRA at this time is strongly linked to wingnuts.

That is not to say there there is no benefit to considering the rights of men or the problems that men face with issues like violent attack or custody disputes.

[_bfhp]

"Disturbed individuals"? Did you read the articles? The people being describes are the leaders of the "movement", like Elam. The "movement" obviously encourages the behavior being described -- meanwhile, groups like CAIR work hard to address the popular image of the terrorist Muslim. Where is the CAIR of "men's rights" I wonder

[poorelise]

I read the first article you linked to, but couldn't find any reference to rape threats by Men's Rights Advocates. That some women receive rape threats on the internet is an entirely different matter. There have also been episodes of feminists faking such rape threat comments. Let's stay on the sane side.

In any case, I only know Karen Straughan (Girl Writes What), who seems very reasonable to me. Not sure how she is associated with A Voice For Men, but she did call for donations for them recently.

And, let's step back a moment: did animus9 write any death threats to women, or did he indeed write anything about men's rights before being accused of being an MRA member? Then why are we having this discussion again?

[animus9]

Your label, not mine. I don't believe in the MRA movement or whatever you call it. I am opposed to off-topic gender politics articles (which are becoming more frequent here) as I believe they are divisionist and ruin the spirit of this forum. This is Hacker News NOT Gender Politics News.

[poorelise]

So advocating mens right is equal to being a rightwing military cult person?

Are you really of the opinion that men's rights are not important?

Also, ad hominem...

[pyrocat]

I'm saying the way Animus9 'advocates mens rights' is equal to being a rightwing military cult person.

[poorelise]

And which of his comments makes you think so?

[nthrow]

Your statement is about as intelligent as saying feminists are indistinguishable from trolls. The men's rights movement, like feminism, isn't monolithic.

[_bfhp]

It is reactionary, i.e. its MO is to paint "feminism" as monolithic and dangerous. If these men really cared about gender inequality and the problems they face as men, they would see that many branches of feminism, like radical feminism, offers solutions where everyone comes out the winner. But that's not what "men's rights" is for.

This is coming from a man who has learned a lot by listening to women instead of constructing male echo chambers.

[nthrow]

There are men's rights practitioners that support the egalitarian aims of feminism. Equality is what reasonable MRAs and feminists want. Unreasonable MRAs and feminists, however, are more interested in having someone to blame.

[poorelise]

Maybe men's rights advocates mostly fight about unreasonable feminism then.

If you have any links to reasonable feminism, I would be glad to receive them. I am still looking for examples for that.