[davidw]

What a bunch of sophomoric horse shit this thread is.

Obama is a disappointment on this issue, and other things too. But there are differences between politicians, and all this blah blah about how they are all the same is a great way to get apathetic and do nothing to improve things. It can be hard work trying to pick out the good ones from the bad ones, and maybe sometimes none of them are that good. And you may feel let down when you misjudge one. But that doesn't mean you just give up and spout platitudes about woe-is-us as an excuse for not doing anything, or no longer attempting to vote for good people.

Two politicians: Nelson Mandela and Joe McCarthy. No difference?

[m52go]

There surely are differences among politicians. You're totally right.

For example: Obama versus Paul. Hell, for the sake of a well-rounded argument, let's throw in Romney.

Look back at the campaign speeches. Regardless of what you think about either Obama or Romney or Paul, Paul's arguments follow logically. They're consistent with history. The other guys' arguments just don't. It's simple.

You could see RIGHT THROUGH Obama and Romney, even back then.

[jessaustin]

Can you name a "good" politician from the USA? Active since 1960?

[moocowduckquack]

Carter.

[ninjac0der]

What he said is true. Heck, it might have even prevented people from (re-)electing Obama if more people realized this. I have no idea what your problem is.