[pseudonym]

I think you're underestimating who's a "feminist" and who's not. It's not just a small cluster of women who say "all men are bad"; it's (finally) gaining the same sort of widespread acceptance that gay rights are. And there are quite a few indie developers who were either rejecting invitations or being on the fence about attending PAX even before this most recent "we regret taking the shirts down" thing.

Also worth noting is this isn't the only situation where Krahulik has shown off his ability to place his foot firmly in his mouth-- there's also things like his peculiar stance on transgender people[1], which is why people have such a hard time taking him at face value when he apologizes.

[1]http://thefullbrightcompany.com/2013/06/21/why-we-are-not-sh...

[kankakodoku]

Please don't compare gay rights to feminism. It's insulting to GLBT people.

It's hilarious that you bring up trans issues, given how poorly feminists have treated that particular minority over the years. The existence of trans people directly contradicts mainstream feminist ideology, therefore they are deemed "problematic." And everyone in the tech community knows by now what feminists do to people they consider problematic...

[PhasmaFelis]

> Please don't compare gay rights to feminism. It's insulting to GLBT people.

Bullshit, speaking as a queer man.

Some feminists, a minority, have treated trans people very poorly. Quite a few gay and lesbian activists have done the same. Gay/lesbian activists have denied the existence of bisexuals, transwomen have feuded with transmen, African-American activists have treated feminists and GLBT activists poorly and vice versa... Look, some people in every group are closed-minded assholes. That doesn't give us an excuse to dismiss an entire group.

Equal rights and equal treatment for women, black folks, Hispanics, gay men, lesbians, transfolks, and every other minority are all in the same boat together. If someone thinks we're not, fuck 'em--and that goes for you just as much as it goes for bigoted feminists.

[kankakodoku]

Feminism is fighting a war that was won long ago. Women already have equal rights in modern countries. GLBT people are only just now starting to see things progress. That's why it's not fair to GLBT people when feminists appropriate our struggles--they're trying to retain an appearance of legitimacy despite the fact that their movement is no longer relevant in virtually every first world country (and let's face it, first world feminists are too focused on criticizing any and every fictional female character to care about the problems of third world women--except for when they need to justify the continuing existence of feminism, after which they promptly go back to their first world "problems" again).

[magicalist]

That's a ridiculously short simplification of his comments on transgender terminology and his ignorance thereof. If people are going to criticize Mike for not engaging long enough to dispel his ignorance, they could at least honestly engage with what he was actually saying in the first place.

This thread is going stupid places quickly. I might just flag it and get it over faster.