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by dlubarov 4550 days ago
If you compare interchange with rewards rates, they seem comparable, but most merchants pay much more than interchange. Direct relationships with issuers isn't feasible, even for the largest merchants. There are network fees and usually other middleman processors involved.

Visa and First Data each make >$10B/year revenue, which is already 0.2% of US GDP, and none of that money goes toward cardholder rewards.

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Interchange is by far the biggest component. The second biggest part is the processor markup. The card network's cut (e.g. Visa itself) is extremely small in comparison.

Just to define these terms for our fair readers:

Interchange is the cut that goes to the bank that issued the consumer's card. That is standard and you can see Visa's rates here: http://usa.visa.com/merchants/operations/interchange_rates.h... Processors are the entities that connect merchants to the card network. (These are often also banks, or another org working with a bank.) One of the most important things they do apart from that technical function is vouch for their merchants. They guarantee that consumers are protected from bad behavior on the part of their merchants, like selling counterfeit goods or running tons of fraudulent cards. So that's why it's often a pain to get a merchant account, and why easier-to-get merchant accounts have higher rates (because they have more fraud).

So, yes, processor markup varies. But we don't need a new currency system to drive competition in the processor space. That's orthogonal. That could happen 100% on top of the current system.

So I'm not sure what else you're referring to as "network fees". Visa/Mastercard's slice? Visa's net income last year was $3B, which is not small, but hardly a major share of GDP. There's also decades of worldwide expansion costs (incl. massive marketing spend) that's gone into that.

It seems like you need a new security system to reduce fraud which will reduce fees, and that is what bitcoin offers potentially
Yeah that must be why people aren't losing Bitcoin and having it stolen every second week...
That has nothing to do with the security mechanisms around bitcoin and everything to do with noobs and the infancy of the technology.
It has quite a bit to do with the security mechanisms around Bitcoin, when compared to the security mechanisms around modern transaction processing.

Bitcoin advocates like to bang on about hyperinflation which isn't happening, meanwhile they're being robbed blind.