[coldtea]

Rust appeared publicly as a project to build a language in 2010 (it was a personal, private, project kept under wraps by Graydon a few years before which is irrelevant).

Perl 6 was first started on 2000. I've been reading Larry's apocryphal descriptions of its "features to be" for 4 times more years than Rust exists.

Rakudo is just a particular attempt at Perl 6, not the first and neither it consists of first time the language was announced publicly.

[kamaal]

I remember Larry also saying(On a youtube video, may be at the O'reilly conference) that he has been working on Perl 6 since 1987. That's how he wishes to describe it.

Even beyond that those are not "features to be". They are already available for use - http://perl6.org/compilers/features

Therefore I'm not sure what you've been reading, or if you are even reading them. Because if you would- you would know, Rakudo covers much of the Perl 6 specification.

By the way. Rust is still not complete. The wikipedia article says, work started in 2006- Which makes it 8 years and still incomplete. And this is for a project which has by far may be even 1000x modest goals. Python 3 was itself 10 years in development, and that is for small modifications to print statement and iterators. And even after 5 years since that date, it doesn't seem to have come any where closer to achieving good production scenario adoption.

And. These are- I said by far extremely modest goals compared to the Perl 6 project.

[coldtea]

>I remember Larry also saying(On a youtube video, may be at the O'reilly conference) that he has been working on Perl 6 since 1987. That's how he wishes to describe it.

That's all well, but he announced it circa 2000. I don't care how he feels about it or how long he hacked it alone, I care since when the language was expected.

>Even beyond that those are not "features to be". They are already available for use http://perl6.org/compilers/features

Therefore I'm not sure what you've been reading, or if you are even reading them. Because if you would- you would know, Rakudo covers much of the Perl 6 specification.

In a half-arsed form and with 1/100 the community of Perl doing anything with them. And still not all of them.

Personally I stopped caring somewhere around 2006. And I've read all of Larry's "apocalypses" back when they used to be on Oreillynet, as well as followed the internal implementation politics for a few years.

>By the way. Rust is still not complete. The wikipedia article says, work started in 2006- Which makes it 8 years and still incomplete.

No, it says that it started as a "part-time side project in 2006". That could be 2 weeks total spend in those years writing a list of desired features in a napkin and getting a hello world compiled for all I know.

I only care about the time since the project was publicly announced and the community started working on it.