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by ATB 6181 days ago
I worked at Amazon until very recently. Some thoughts on the article:

"Amazon — where workers famously had desks made of wooden doors nailed to two-by-fours in the company’s earlier, money-losing days — remans in some ways as cheap as ever"

Everywhere I went, Amazon still used 'door desks' which are basically doors with legs. They are sturdy, come in various sizes, and are assembled and disassembled easily. There's an award named after them (the "Door Desk Award") that Amazon hands out fairly often, and there's a competition to see how quickly Amazon people can assemble one of them from parts (Jeff Bezos is pretty quick, IIRC).

"Amazon’s frugal ways reflect “more their culture than the immediate economic conditions.”"

Wherever you go, people will casually mention that Amazon "tries to be frugal." The last time I heard this, it was during an office move where I did a lot of the moving myself (instead of relying on the facility staff to do it) after an executive assistant casually mentioned that "we value frugality" so I figured that staff may be put to better use elsewhere. I've been around VPs and never got the impression that they felt comfortable splashing out a lot of cash unless there was a clear need to do so. This culture extends to the very top.

"the company’s relatively modest record of charitable giving has drawn some unfavorable reviews"

Amazon became profitable after many unprofitable years not that long ago (2002). It's probably easier to give a lot to charity if you've been making billions in profits year after year.

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I also used to work at Amazon, and this is all true.

Personally, I like having an ergonomically reasonable desk, and don't miss my door desk at all.

The downside of frugal is, employees don't feel treated as well. Amazon had free coffee and water, and that's it. No sodas, no free vending machines, none of that kind of stuff that are reasonably common in software development houses. The cafeteria on-site is not any cheaper than eating out (though the food isn't bad.) The office supplies are always the cheapest possible - use a bic pen or buy your own if you actually care about your writing utensil. Company swag, like free T-Shirts, are a rare thing. And the 'employee discount' is distinctly unimpressive - 10% off for the first $1000 per year, aka $100.

It's all little things, but it can add up to a feeling of being a cog in an uncaring machine. It wasn't really related to why I left, but I can't say I miss being part of the Amazon family. People vary, but for me, I honestly think things like free vending machines generate more long-term good will than if they'd paid me ten times that amount in a bonus instead.

Personally, I find it silly to get paid in beverages if I could get paid in cash. Then again, when I was at Amazon I was in downtown Seattle with some of the greatest lunch bars in the world (read: Tats) and not on top of a suburban hill.
That's very interesting. I've always been irritated by the emphasis software companies (or at least, journalists writing about software companies) put on things like free drinks and ping pong tables. Give me great work with great people and you can toss the rest of it; conversely, all that free crap doesn't do a thing for me if the work and the people aren't great.

At the same time, I've heard from many sources that Amazon isn't such a great place to work. I imagine there must be other cultural factors besides cheapness that contribute to that?