[com2kid]

I get up at 9-ish, hopefully. I use intermittent fasting so I don't eat breakfast. I go to work still exhausted. I have a paper notebook I use to take notes. Space constraints at work means my team's whiteboard wall for standup is now inaccessible. I work as late as I can, eating lunch and maybe dinner, until 8 or 9. I go home and stay up online reading until 2 or 3 in the morning, with a few games of something in-between. I pass out exhausted.

Heaven forbid I ever go to bed not ready to fall asleep instantly, lest I be forced to consider all that I have not done in life, all that I have failed to be. All the missed opportunities that I let pass me by, all the mistakes I have made.

[axaxs]

Wow, this hit at home exactly - down to the meal plan and sleep schedule(except that I don't fast on purpose). I used to drink, only at night, so that I could fall right asleep. Works well, but not great for health or feeling good in the morning. I think that most of your/our problem comes down to lack of physical activity. Start trying to exercise more, even at night. A good physical exhaustion will put you right to sleep, and has the side effects of being good for you. I'm slowly climbing out of the rut this way, and hope you can too.

[dmishe]

Maybe start eating breakfast?

[com2kid]

Intermittent Fasting + Ketogenic Diet is awesome, fully recommend it. It is like having an internal source of energy that just goes on and on forever!

Cereal and toast means a blood sugar crash a few hours later, no thanks!

[enraged_camel]

>>Cereal and toast means a blood sugar crash a few hours later, no thanks!

Well, you could try eating like an adult and see how it works for you.

I have a protein shake every morning. Milk, banana, peanut butter and chocolate protein powder. Works great: it's filling, delicious, healthy and it doesn't cause a sugar crash.

[com2kid]

I've also done high protein breakfasts, they work out well.

IF provides unique benefits, not saying it is the only way, but it is a comfortable way.

My lack of energy in the morning is more due to my internal clock being shifted about 8 hours forward. My natural hours would be to take at ~1pm and be up until ~4am.

Separate issue. :)

[ugexe]

Have you done a sleep or diet study or are you just making assumptions based on your experience?

[dijit]

There are numerous studies into 'night owls' and such a people do exist, I was actually reading about this earlier due to the fact I've always been more active, alert and mentally capable when waking up at 11-13 as opposed to times earlier, and the energy lasted throughout the day.

I think the Wikipedia page on night-owls explains in greater detail the exacts of what is essentially a genetic predisposition, the sources hold up too.

Anecdotally, I've tried many diets, I thought I had insomnia at one point and the doctors did not disagree, taking pills does not make it easier- you feel more disconnected and my usual grumpy demenour is more apathetic.

As with most things YMMV

[jackhammer2022]

My guess is the Delayed Sleep Phase Syndrome ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_sleep_phase_disorder )

[nocman]

There is nothing childish about cereal and toast.

He didn't say "Lucky Charms" and "toast loaded with grape jelly".

I eat a low carb meals also, and I totally get not wanting a sugar crash due to eating a carb-loaded breakfast. But sheesh "Well, you could try eating like an adult" just sounds terribly condescending to me.

Plenty of adults eat cereal and toast for breakfast and are just fine doing so.

[jmduke]

This is the exact same shake I have and it's wonderful. If you're a coffee person, try adding some cold brew as well.

[6d0debc071]

I generally have oats and raisins for breakfast, (my boyfriend makes a cooked breakfast sometimes but that's far from a regular thing,) never noted a blood sugar crash.

[collyw]

How old are you? And what sort of body type? Intermittent fasting sounds really interesting, but I am already fairly skinny. I don't really need to loose weight.

[lampe3]

there are cereals without sugar...

fasting for a longer time can be dangerous...

your body in the morning needs energie its like a engine...

I don't eat after 7:30 PM I can't sleep with a full belly

[jadyoyster]

Fasting for a day is not in any way dangerous. We've evolved to cope with situations much more extreme than that just fine.

[orbitur]

I also don't break the fast until 1/2pm after I get up at 830/9am and I operate just fine.

com2kid just needs better sleep. Change pillows, change beds. Also, for your sake, take your laptop to bed with you and use something like f.lux to change the hue of the screen, anything but sitting at your desk (although getting that LCD out of your face would be optimal). You could probably use an extra hour of sleep.

[andy10]

Also, making sure that when you do sleep it is pitch dark. Cover all lights, smoke detectors etc. Will make for a better quality sleep.