[dmazin]

But kids aren't consuming COD as art.

Maybe many many years from now we can appreciate it aesthetically, like we do some propagandic speeches, but right now it's very clear that COD drives a very certain message to the people who play it - but now I'm just repeating the article.

[Tohhou]

"It's very clear that every movie you watch is driving a certain message. Also every book. None of that is art. You are so simple minded that these medias can tell you what to think just by existing and without you being able to make up your own mind. Let's ban entertainment that doesn't fall in line with our ideological tow."

[smtddr]

Just leaving this here: http://exclaim.ca/Features/Comics/propaganda_hero-gi_joe_ret...

>>"Not co-incidentally, G.I. Joe returned when America needed him most. It was re-launched in September 2001, with the battle against terrorists replacing its ‘80s communist foes.

[streetnigga]

Street guy with a marketing eye here. I wouldn't read too far into that, loads of others 80s material was getting re-licensed around that time due to us 20 somethings growing monies.

This is evident in everything from comics to music. For instance here is a nice tune for you 80s babies, ActRazer - Kill Switch: http://youtu.be/_jhHRth-4qg

[smtddr]

I think you're the best HN user on this whole site.

[dmazin]

Okay...

First of all, children are not actively engaged with media. They can appreciate art, but for the most part they are not having a conversation with what they consume, so, yes, we should be aware of what they consume, because, again, they do not consume like we do.

Second, I don't think we should ban Call of Duty. I think we should shame the executives responsible out of the industry and set the developers right or not work with them. However my opinion would be different if the games were less vulgar/parents had better control over them.

[Tohhou]

If children were playing CoD I'd blame the parents, and not the developer, who is clearly not engaging in a brainwashing conspiracy to get kids to think things.

> they do not consume like we do

They are smarter than you think. Some play dumb because people except them to be dumb, but try talking to a kid who isn't oppressed by people who think they can't engage with media actively.

>I think we should shame the executives responsible out of the industry and set the developers right or not work with them.

In other words, you want to encourage censorship for things you don't like.

[PavlovsCat]

> try talking to a kid who isn't oppressed by people who think they can't engage with media actively.

That's right! People who are worried about some of the crap kids get exposed to are actually actively causing whatever they're worried about. This makes so much sense.

[Tohhou]

Yeah, I blame people who support nanny states for children who are afraid of thinking. These people think children are some fragile things which are incapable of thinking.

I've met kids who were raised as people instead of as sub-human property. They are not damaged. They can make solid choices. They know what's real and what's not, and fiction doesn't hurt them no more than it does any adult. Children are hungry for knowledge, and when gained it is exactly what makes people more resilient against what you fear.

On topic, CoD is not made for children. It's made for adults. But if a child was exposed to it and they understood it was all pretend do you think they would be in any way damaged? If they understood that in reality it's not okay to shoot people that playing a game would make them want to shoot people in the real world? Would they think it was okay to shoot Russians? That the US needs a larger army?

I grew up in a highly religious family and was censored from basically every media in fear of the "crap" turning me toward satan. Which was everything, and it makes me roll my eyes now what they thought would turn me away from their god. This is why I hold so much disdain for people who are so worried about kids being exposed to crap. Let the kids decide if it's crap or not. Talk with them about why they like it or not. If something concerns you about what they are interested in, talk with them to make sure they understand what is and isn't real, what is acceptable in the real world and what isn't. If they know what's real and what isn't why should they fear? Why should they be damaged in any way?

[PavlovsCat]

Can you stop spawning strawmen and projecting your own parents on everyone else?

[emiljbs]

>Second, I don't think we should ban Call of Duty. I think we should shame the executives responsible out of the industry and set the developers right or not work with them. However my opinion would be different if the games were less vulgar/parents had better control over them.

Why? The game is rated M, the game shops doesn't let children buy M-rated games. Educate the parents instead. Leave my games be, please.

[rosser]

Holy straw man, HN.

[Tohhou]

Not just any but the hyperbole strawman.

[haldujai]

Why are kids consuming CoD? The game is rated M, maybe parents should stop impressionable minors from playing the game, I think someone 17+ should be significantly less impressionable.

[dmazin]

100% agreed. Good question. Though parents haven't really been able to control what children consume (and having been a child, I wouldn't have let my parents keep me away from something I wanted).

[emiljbs]

>Why are kids consuming CoD?

Because it's a lot of fun and guns are cool. What lasting impression would CoD make on a 12-year old kid's mind anyway?

[vinkelhake]

The kids aren't playing CoD for the story. The single-player campaign is, at best, seen as a light warmup for multiplayer. That is where the kids are spending their time.