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by tokenadult 4574 days ago
Whether news is bad for you or not probably depends more than a little on what the source is. I don't watch television—for years our TV was in a box in a closet, brought out mostly just for watching the Olympics. But I do look at Google News and try to train it to give me mostly long-form suggestions about science and world issues from diverse sources with professional reporting and editing. That helps.

The claim that giving up reading news will make you happier is a medical claim in the article that is not backed up by reliable medical sources,[1] so I call baloney on that. The newspaper opinion writer here (promoting his new book with excerpts from the book) doesn't report the issue the way a competent reporter would report it, but just makes a bunch of broad general statements with no nuance. In other words, the medical claims about happier human life in the article are just like the made-up opinions we can all easily find on the Internet, and the article stands as an example of how we can find blatantly misleading "information" inside or outside the professional news media. I have no reason to suppose that the full-length book is a medically reliable source (the publisher of the book is identified at the end of the article).

Anecdote alert: I'm a curious person and I like to learn, and so one of the reasons I come here to Hacker NEWS is to find out new facts about the external world that I didn't know before, including facts about current events ("news" in the narrow sense). My personal experience—which, to be sure, may differ from yours—is that I am a happier and more productive person when I know, from good sources, what is going on all over the world and the broader context of expanding human knowledge. But I'm sure you can find an opinion column somewhere based on a popular book with a different opinion from mine.

AFTER EDIT: Good catch! Another participant here on HN noticed that the author of the article kindly submitted here has credibly been accused of plagiarism by more than one published author who works harder than he does. I upvoted that comment for what it added to our understanding of the article's background.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:MEDRS

5 comments

Yes, indeed, heartily concur.

"News" is nothing more than a report of events potentially affecting our lives: if a particular report is intelligent, trustworthy, and helpful to our understanding of what we need to do to better our lives, it is something to be valued and even on occasion treasured; if, in contrast, it is nothing more than what amounts to a reporter's trick for grabbing attention or an attempt to pass off what amounts to drivel as something that somehow should command our time, we have good reason to shun and even resent it. We do need to care about things beyond ourselves but who wants to endure the institutional barrage of worthless or semi-worthless reports that can impose upon us throughout a given day if we allow it in this age of instant and ubiquitous communication? I wouldn't go so far as to say "please turn it all off" because then you do lose the ability to get a minimum exposure each day as needed to stay meaningfully informed as a person and as a citizen but I would say "give me one giant filter" to be able to control and limit the flow. Who can realistically profit from a daily surfeit of junk-bond-quality reporting and especially about things such as a sensational car wreck (or whatever) having little or no affect on our lives? Since that is what "news" mostly is these days, it is best to apply that one great filter available to us all - that is, personal self-control. That is what I love most about your comment: it reminds us clearly that it is within our power to use such self-control and to thereby focus on quality while filtering what is junk.

The article itself is somewhat dubious, as you note. Important note for those who would commend their views to others: scatter-gun assertions made in support of a point can leave one doubting how great is the author's grip on the topic at hand; if you have something to say, think it through and develop your points well before assuming that others will want to hear what you have to say. Not really well written at all.

A "giant filter" over google news still does not cut at the root. I think the problem is the perverse use of this medium (i.e. computer-web system). It is a medium that is not sufficiently understood by most, or perhaps any person yet. From reading (Englebart, et al) it seems this medium would be best used as a tool for collaboration.

Unfortunately most people (including myself) don't deeply reflect on a new medium/technology, to figure how best to yield it to amplify human intelligence (or make human progress).

I argue "cutting cord" for news via TV and the web may be the best thing to do now until more is understood of its affects on humans. People don't realize that it is the medium that is the problem and there is no amount of "filter" that will help them and they suffer unnecessarily.

You've entirely missed the point. News is bad because it focuses on the sensational and misses the actionable. Ie bitcoin articles focus on the speculative aspect and not that it's a more useful, less friction method of payment. Business shows focus on day to day movement instead of broad sweeping trends that are game changers.

The medium is partly the problem.

News is bad because it focuses on the sensational and misses the actionable.

I think you've missed the point of my comment, which is that I actively disregard sources that have that defect, and look for sources that tell me about verified, actionable information. (I have been wondering about the pattern of upvotes and downvotes on my comment, and if this is what people think I am saying, that I like the sensational, they are badly misreading my comment.)

I think there's some misunderstanding over the meaning of the word "news" here. The author of the article uses the word "news" when referring to "sensational, bite sized news articles" (because it makes for a better headline). He doesn't think all journalism is bad. The article concludes with this thought:

"Society needs journalism – but in a different way. Investigative journalism is always relevant. We need reporting that polices our institutions and uncovers truth. But important findings don't have to arrive in the form of news. Long journal articles and in-depth books are good, too."

You and the author seem to mostly agree in that respect.

Tangential comment:

News is bad because it focuses on the sensational and misses the actionable.

That's actually what frustrates me most about this article. For people who do plan to continue following news (likely including most readers of the article), the article isn't very actionable.

I would love to see a few smart people work together, look through the author's points, and outline a few ways to mitigate the legitimate problems summarized in each point. The article might be useful for other people who haven't considered these points before, but in its current state of merely spreading awareness, it's not very useful for me.

> Ie bitcoin articles focus on the speculative aspect and not that it's a more useful, less friction method of payment.

... what if bitcoin, currently, _is_ only about the speculative aspect, and is not actually more useful with less friction?

If that is the case, then I used a bad example, but I really don't think I did.

Off topic, but... I recently bought a days usage from put.io with bitcoin. They got their money instantly, I don't have to worry about a hacker getting my credit card info or using more bitcoins in my wallet than I gave. I didn't have to enter a bunch of personal information to prove my identity.

I think it was a great example for a possibly not as great point. I think both you and tokenadult would prefer to read a paper on using bitcoin in vending machines http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3Awww.t... rather than something more sensationalist like http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2013/05/robocoin/ ( with titles along the lines of Bitcoin ATMs: Valhalla Incarnate or the Looming Death of Civilization?)

And I like your example of a use of bitcoin apart from speculation. The sensationalist articles love bitcoin because it is new, but also because a few people have become rich and poor from speculating on it and its future is uncertain, which leaves lots of room in the stories for "raising concerns".

But as tokenadult pointed out, we can avoid those articles and the sources that tend to deliver them.

When a hacker gets your credit card info, you're liable for $50 and have the hassle of a few days without your card until you get new one.

When a hacker gets your bitcoin wallet, they can empty out your entire account.

That's why you have multiple wallets, which you can create with a click of a button. It's effortless to create as many wallets as required for you to feel safe.
It is just sooo much easier to get credit card information though. You literally give all of it to everyone any time you use it.

I don't really know why credit cards don't have a public/private key situation but they don't, so people are just stealing them constantly or applying for them with a bunch of stolen personal information and then running up your credit in ways that are pretty difficult to detect.

A lot of the fraud that is occurring today is because the systems we are using to transmit wealth digitally are inherently very insecure.

When the government wishes to make your life miserable and you have a credit card, they can call your credit card company and get your account frozen for reasons.

When the government wishes to make your life miserable and you have a bitcoin wallet, they have to do a lot more work if they want those funds.

Because the government making your life miserable by freezing your account is just as common as someone stealing your credit card, right?
> I didn't have to enter a bunch of personal information to prove my identity.

You are wrong here. You did exactly that (a bitcoin transaction is that), just in a way you are not used to.

Yes, but I didn't have to fill out a two page form, I clicked send in my bitcoin client.
Oh man. News that focuses on actionable. Utopia !

I actually believe this renewed news spam (brought by ourselves through the internet) probably makes us all dumber as a whole, over time.

Why would you expect there to be medical evidence that speaks to being happier after giving up reading news?

I don't think you are entitled to expect that. Medical studies don't tend to focus on the happiness of healthy people. Even if they did, I would be surprised if a good study giving us data on happiness on reading news already exist at a scale that would represent the range of population behaviour.

I don't disagree with you wanting good scientific evidence - that's commendable.

I disagree with calling baloney on a sensible hypothesis ('reading news as a typical Westerner does is detrimental to overall happiness for most people') just because that scientific evidence does not yet exist and this opinion piece does not yet provide it.

Bias alert: I'm pretty sure I read to much news, and am solidifying this meme in my mind to try to improve that.

> Google News and try to train it

Does this work? Does it work better than looking through TrueTrueReddit and hubski?

Google News is most definitely trainable. NO WAY would I visit Reddit for news (I was an early adopter of Reddit, and with Hacker News in my portfolio of news sources already, I don't see enough value-add in trying Reddit again.)
It has gotten harder to train Google news due to the big uptick in the 300 word reprint practice that is playing out in media recently. Even if you manually block all the major outlets, so many sites reprint their stories that I still end up with Miley Cyrus news in my feed.
How do you do that? The only way I can think is discarding any story I'm not interested in, but how do I say, hey Google Now I liked this article?

+1?

Or how do I say: "this was a really bad article"?

Here is a Ted talk (2011) by Eli Pariser [1] about the "filter bubble" and its unintended consequences.

[1] http://www.ted.com/talks/eli_pariser_beware_online_filter_bu...

That's sort of like saying "whether candy is bad for you depends on what candy you eat". Sort of true, but, you're still eating candy.
Which also ignores that point that not all candy is bad for you, and even candy that's not necessarily good for you in quantity might be perfectly fine in moderation.

Chocolate, for example, decreases the risk of stroke, is good for your skin, improves vision, stimulates brain activity, etc. How much of and how often you eat it affects whether it's still beneficial compared to its negative effects, which include high cholesterol, diabetes, weight gain, etc.

Someone eating candy isn't necessarily doing something bad, despite the stigma. Equally, they are not doing something necessarily good.