[jules]

> Animals kill other animals, only when they are hungry.

False. I've seen cats killing birds and then not eating them many times.

> They also don't raise animals in a confined, cruel environment, pump them with drugs, don't beat them, treat them like crap etc.

Strawman. He didn't say that we should treat animals like crap. It is possible to treat animals well, except for the killing part, and that's what this discussion is about.

> Animals also don't waste - every inch of meat is eaten, while we liberally waste.

Also false. Lions kill animals and then only eat a small part of it. Sure, later other animals & bacteria eat the rest, but the same applies for humans.