[nailer]

>> but female schoolteachers do not consider the lack of men to be a problem with their industry

> I'm sure if you talked to any teacher, they'd tell you they would prefer a more balanced selection of primary school teachers.

That's a different matter. One may wish there to be more male teachers, but that does not mean one considers the lack of male teachers a problem with the industry.

>> after looking at the individuals, more of them may belong to one group than another

> What does this mean?

I thought this was self explanatory but obviously not: after evaluating each individual on the basis of their merits, one may discover that many of the individuals who have been found to excel may belong to the same group.

> That line of thinking inevitably leads to saying men's brains are "wired" to "think a certain way", which has been proven false each time it's brought up.

Pardon? Male and female brains have massive differences in the amount of gray and white matter for one thing [1], connectivity [2], and size [3]. Sex is a biological construct that is very much a real thing.

[1] http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/01/050121100142.ht...

[2] http://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/dec/02/men-women-bra...

[3] http://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/wp-content/uploads/Helmuth-Nybor...

[ceol]

> One may wish there to be more male teachers, but that does not mean one considers the lack of male teachers a problem with the industry.

So then... your source? Because I'm sure if you talked to any random teacher, they would tell you that the lack of men in teaching is a problem with the industry. You're still not providing anything to back up your claims.

> after evaluating each individual on the basis of their merits, one may discover that the individuals who have been found to excel may belong to the same group.

So exactly what I thought. Which part of the brain makes women more inclined to teach grades K through 12? Which part makes men more likely to teach at the college level? Which part makes women not excel as much as men in programming?

> Male and female brains have massive differences in the amount of gray and white matter for one thing.

Your first link doesn't show that women are less likely to be programmers. It actually shows they would be more likely, as they apparently excel at intuitive thinking, multitasking, and remembering.

That doesn't touch on the fact that I said "think a certain way". I didn't say they are exactly the same. I said there has not been definitive proof that men are hardwired to be programmers/leaders/managers/etc and women are hardwired to be nurses/teachers/caretakers.

[nailer]

> > One may wish there to be more male teachers, but that does not mean one considers the lack of male teachers a problem with the industry.

> So then... your source?

This is a logical argument. You claimed you spoke to teachers and found something that doesn't correspond to my assertion to be true. I pointed out that it may be true, but it doesn't correspond to my assertion.

If you are now asserting that teachers, in addition to wanting more men in the industry, also think that the lack of men is a problem with their industry, then it's up to you to prove your assertion. And not with 'if you talked to any random teacher'.

>>> That line of thinking inevitably leads to saying men's brains are "wired" to "think a certain way", which has been proven false each time it's brought up.

>> Male and female brains have massive differences in the amount of gray and white matter for one thing [1], connectivity [2], and size [3].

> Your first link doesn't show that women are less likely to be programmers.

That's correct. All the links are direct responses to your assertion that "men's brains are "wired" to "think a certain way" has been proven false each time it's brought up."

I have provided cited three papers to disprove a claim that I've quoted and you've responded by saying it doesn't disprove something else. I'm not going to bother spending time arguing with a child.

[ceol]

> If you are now asserting that teachers, in addition to wanting more men in the industry, also think that the lack of men is a problem with their industry, then it's up to you to prove your assertion. And not with 'if you talked to any random teacher'.

Actually, no. You made the first assertion that teachers don't have a problem with the lack of men. I'm countering with the opposite. There is no assumed default in this case, so it's up to either of us to prove our argument. Here is my proof: http://www.menteach.org/ There are outreach programs to get more men into teaching, which means teachers do think it's a problem.

> I'm not going to bother spending time arguing with a child.

I can only assume the name-calling is due to your frustration with being proved wrong. You should spend some time learning how to better handle yourself.