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by timbro 4571 days ago
I think it's becoming very clear now:

Either the NSA/government goes or technology goes.

If we want to attain a sane degree of democracy in our Western world, both can not continue to coexist in their current form.

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But you can't get rid of the NSA when there are real threats in the world. It's just not going to happen, because there actually are real threats (the number is debatable), and the existence of more than an anomaly of threats will always be justification for NSA and their ilk.

The only way to get rid of the NSA is to get rid of the threats. The most effective long term way is to work for and achieve a much higher level of peace, tolerance and community than the world currently has.

> But you can't get rid of the NSA when there are real threats in the world.

Sure you can. The existence of real threats does not mean that the NSA is the only means of dealing with them, nor even that it is an effective way of dealing with them even before considering the negative impacts it has, nor, finally -- and this is the key consideration -- that it is a net positive considering the benefits it provides against the threats against the direct threat it produces to freedom.

I'll concede that getting rid of the NSA regardless of threats is within the realm of possibility. But it's very unlikely. Maybe more unlikely than world peace.
Too late. The national conversation is already insane, with a pandoras's box nature that will not be reversed. The West is fucked, and like any spoiled asshole, is going to wreak the game (life on Earth) for everyone else. God/Allah/ca$h have mercy on our stupid fucking lives.