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by wpietri 4577 days ago
That I don't have a right to Ben's time and attention is true, but irrelevant. I'm not demanding anything of him.

I do have the right to criticize him for his public actions, which is what I'm doing. I think he behaved poorly in relation to two topics I care about: leading open source projects, and ending sexism. He doesn't owe me an explanation, but I would read it with interest.

I also think people on the project have a right to criticize him. They have. He does owe them an explanation; any action taken in the project's name is subject to review by the project community.

I think the rest of your argument is more smokescreen for your true agenda, which is tiresome. I'm glad to discuss the actual issue, but I'm not interested in knocking down straw men until you get tired of making them. It seems like you've run out of new things to say, and I don't think either of us is learning anything here. If you want to discuss this further, feel free to email me.

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   "I think he behaved poorly in relation to two topics I care 
   about: leading open source projects, and ending sexism."
I would think that the best way to do that is to lead by example by leading and open source project and combatting sexism in the project(s) you lead instead of knocking down my strawmen.

If you lead an open source project and fight to end sexism, then great. If not, you are in no position to criticize Ben.

   "I also think people [who have contributed to] the project have 
   a right to criticize him. [Everyone else can GTFO]. He does owe 
   them an explanation; any action taken in the project's name is 
   subject to review by the project community."
FTFY. This entire ordeal would have been a non-issue if you could mute non-contributors.

My true agenda? Establishing a culture where non-contributors don't waste the time of contributors with their bikeshedding.

What excludes someone from the category of non-contributor? They submit test cases. They clarify documentation to make it clearer how to use the code or understand the algorithms in the code. They implement features. They participate in design discussions. They contribute use cases and elaborate on why those use cases are important. They fix bugs in the open source code instead of simply hacking around it in their own code. They write blog posts on how to use the open source code. They publish examples of the open source code in use. They give talks on how to use the open-source code.

Yes, I believe that's more smokescreen. As I said, I'm done engaging with you in this forum about this.