[gabemart]

> What is the gain in setting up a "Can you hack us?" and then make some parts out of scope?! It's not like a black hat hacker would go "Oh well, this isn't their usual domain, so It's not fair" -.-

This suggests that anything less than perfect security is worthless. Which is better, having pentesters look for vulnerabilities in 50% of your surface area, or having pentesters look for vulnerabilities in 0% of your surface area?

Setting up a bug bounty program has a cost, both in terms of processing the data submitted and in potential disruption of the provision of services. This cost will differ from attack vector to attack vector. Having pentesters dress up as utility workers and attempt to sneak into your company offices to install keyloggers will have an extremely high cost in terms of disruption. This cost may be higher than the potential benefit of learning about the company's vulnerabilities in this area.

There are also some attack vectors that may be problematic to allow pentesters to probe due to third-party contracts, data protection laws, compliance issues, etc.

You may disagree with the particular areas a company chooses to define as out-of-scope, but to claim that having any areas off-limits renders the whole enterprise pointless is reductive and incorrect.

[r-s]

> This suggests that anything less than perfect security is worthless. Which is better, having pentesters look for vulnerabilities in 50% of your surface area, or having pentesters look for vulnerabilities in 0% of your surface area?

Is this supposed to be rhetorical?

Say you buy a really good front door for your house, and forget to put a back door on your house. I would say that testing the security of the front door is a waste of time.

[csallen]

You should read the rest of that post instead of stopping at the point you quoted. I think he makes a good point: There are real costs associated with expanding security, and there are points at which those costs can become unreasonably high.

I think your point is too extreme. Locking your front door is most definitely NOT a waste of time, because with that move alone, you've automatically protected yourself against the subset of attackers who don't think to try the back door. Are you still vulnerable? Yes, of course. But decidedly less so. As the OP said, 50% is better than 0%.

The real conversation that should be taking place is not whether or not a limited scope should exist (it should), but how far that scope should extend given the costs of extending it.