[throwaway9848]

What a pile of first world problems. I suspect a lot fewer guys will quit sugar and lose weight instead of quitting soy after reading this. And diabetes makes soy estrogen mimicking hormones look like kids' play when it comes to erectile dysfunction.

A guy in his 50s or 60s (well past when the boys are pumping out huge amounts of testosterone) drinking _3 quarts_ of soy milk per day is not exactly typical.

[JPKab]

I had the awful experience of (at the age of 15) having my father decide to be a vegan (due to a mid-life crisis) and replace all protein sources in our house with tofu and tempeh. It was fucking awful, and on top of the constant gas I had (going to high school with bad gas is itself torture) I remember having soreness and tenderness in the breast region. My progress in the weight room (I played football and wrestled) crumbled. It was my coaches who suspected the vegan diet at home. They didn't necessarily pinpoint soy, but essentially came to their own conclusion that I wasn't able to digest the soy protein, explaining my sudden inability to put on muscle.

Eventually, after 2 months, I rebelled and began getting meat wherever and whenever I could. I'm still very resentful of my father's sudden switch to veganism at my expense. I am particularly hateful of the PETA fanatics (it was a pretty woman he dated) who converted him from a hunter and fisherman to a silly fuck who wears turquoise and preaches animal rights. Did I mention his vegan diet of over 18 years has resulted in him having bad heart disease?

[throwaway9848]

"Vegan diets do not result in heart disease. Many studies have shown that vegetarians seem to have a lower risk of obesity, coronary heart disease (which causes heart attack), high blood pressure, diabetes mellitus and some forms of cancer." (http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/GettingHealthy/NutritionCenter...). There are plenty of other of legitimate articles if you look for them.

You may have some kind of soy allergy. Your gas and breast experience is neither universal nor typical.

I won't question your unusually strong feelings towards PETA, but please don't confuse what they do with animal welfare. Also, your bad feelings towards your father will do you no good in life, and you should try to get on decent terms with him before he dies (considering his advanced heart disease).

[stefan_kendall]

Anyone who carefully considers their diet likely has a lower incidence of heart disease than someone who doesn't because of noting food sources and caring about food. You could pick any arbitrary diet and draw similar large-scale conclusions.

The real data is when you consider two groups who consider their diet. The national average is absolutely not a control for meaningful diet analysis.

[stugs]

And don't forget, it was only one guy...

[throwaway9848]

The NEJM it ain't. Thanks for the links to the debunking articles.

[pconf]

Who clearly has not take even one semester of college level nutrition.