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by beachstartup 4587 days ago
eat good chinese food. if you're not from LA, SF, NY there's a strong chance you've never actually had chinese food.
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if you're not from LA, SF, NY there's a strong chance you've never actually had chinese food.

I imagine there are over a billion people in China and Taiwan who would beg to differ ;-)

Exactly. Chinese friends tell me "Chinese" food one finds in Chinatowns in western cities is heavily adapted to western tastes and nothing like what is eaten in China.
Last time I was in China, no one had ever heard of General Tso. From what I gather, he was a bloodthirsty tyrant, but made an excellent chicken.
I have a hunch that the 'Tso' is actually a corruption of 'sauce', meaning instead of being named for a military general, 'general' is the name of the sauce.
General Tso's chicken, like fortune cookies and Chop Suey, come from America.
LOL
But if you know how to order right, you can find dishes that are kind of like American dishes only vastly better.

http://www.chinatouradvisors.com/UpLoad/Jiangsu/Suzhou/Food/...

I'm not talking about Chinatowns. those are ghettoes leftover from the 1800s
I suspect that the "Chinese" food here is adapted to comply with US law.
no that's just a ridiculous racist thought that you came up with on your own.
What laws are these? I find it strange to hear anyone claim that US laws determine what is made and sold as Chinese food. There are some laws regarding food safety, but they apply to all foods.
This is probably not what either of you meant, but until 2005, it was illegal to import sichuan peppercorns. This resulted in a lot of dishes missing a fairly important taste, even in otherwise authentic Sichuan restaurants.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sichuan_pepper#US_import_ban

Even if you're from LA, SF, or NY, there's a strong chance you've never actually had Chinese food ;)
This is so naive. I'm from Wellington, NZ and live in Auckland. I can buy excellent chinese food without trying very hard in multiple locations.

Chinese migration isn't just limited to the USA...

As an AU/NZ/DE citizen who has been mostly based in China (but also a year in LA, 2 weeks SF) since 2001, I can tell you that Auckland is a best case example.

Compared to SF (which has one of the oldest Chinatowns in the US... unlike LA's, which incidentally was ruthlessly bulldozed to make way for a 'required' freeway by racist local government) much of Auckland's Chinese population is recent, which is perfect. Recent mainland immigration brings real Chinese food as Chinese eat it.

SF is dealing with Americanized interpetations of Chinese food that persist from the modified cuisine of multiple generations of Cantonese immigrants distilled through American popular culture. You know:

(1) Paper box

(2) Disposable chopsticks

(3) Fujian/Guangdong style egg (yellow) noodles

(4) Canto-Americanisms like 'chop suey' (Mandarin 'chao cai') and 'dim sum' (Mandarin 'dian xin') and such.

(5) Total overuse of meats and a relative lack of vegetarian options

(6) Total overuse of heavy sauces (oyster, sweet and sour, etc.)

By contrast, despite an early presence of Chinese in New Zealand, just fifteen years ago you would be hard pressed to find any Asian food at all in central Auckland, and certainly there was no or next to no honest mainland-style Chinese cuisine available at all, anywhere in the city.

(Edit: What's with the downvote? Sheesh.)

FWIW I upvoted you! I'd always wondered if the Chinese in Auckland was any good or not compared to China (I'd suspected yes, but good to know!). It has been crazy watching all the good asian food popup over the last 20 odd years. It all feels so natural and part of NZ culture now (e.g. there are 7 Korean, 3 Japanese, 2 Chinese and 1 French restaurants directly across from the office!).
Hang on now... Come to Seattle, we can show you some Chinese food that will blow your socks off
seattle and the east side are 'okay' but nowhere near what you'd find in the sunset/richmond, san gabriel valley, or manhattan + queens

for example in a single neighborhood you can find halal chinese, dim sum, szechuan, hot pot, proper roast duck, chinese bakeries, shanghai style dumplings, fresh noodles ...

the bar for comparison should be beijing, shanghai, singapore, hong kong, taipei, etc.

Ironically, I've heard the Chinese food in Chinatown in SF is pretty lousy.
Not at all. There are good restaurants and there are bad restaurants. Most of the customers in the SF Chinatown restaurants are Chinese, so you know there are going to be some good restaurants.
chinatowns are ghettoes. they are vestiges of the 1800s.
What is your favorite sf Chinese food spot?
in the USA that is. I've heard that Richmond B.C. has some of the best Chinese food in North America.
There are some in the Vancouver proper.
And Gastown, right around the corner from GrowLab/Launch Academy.