[joshguthrie]

Fuck this.

No, actually, fuck YOU. Everyone out there who is going all white-knight on "Oh no, this is not a good situation yadda yadda, you're being exploited, abused,... You're in such abusive relationship that you don't even see it". The job posting was worded to be terrible just to ensure only the most motivated and willing would apply.

Does this mean PA are looking for a slave? No, there are better ways to get yourselves a slave and a lot of startups are doing it without anyone batting an eyelash. Look around you: unpaid internships, low salaries that don't compute with the living costs in the area, all these talks of "sure, you start with a low salary but you'll get equity and stock-options",... This is the real bullshit happening around us every day.

All of this talk about "he's working in awful conditions" when he's describing his happiness is making me sick. Who gave any of us the Judgement Stick to impose our views on other people? The real abuse Kenneth is getting is from anyone putting words he never said in his mouth. He's doing great stuff for a great company who SUPPORTS him whole-heartedly. Why is this crowd trying to disminish his proudness of being part of a family?

We've broken the boundaries of the "9-to-5" job. We're beginning to see the myth of developers working only from the workplace crumbling in front of our eyes and I'm only expected to be at work during the day because we got a sales team whose job IS 9-to-5. Because in the end it's not about our capacity to seat 40 hours in an office but our capacity and desire to get stuff done. And some of us are burning with it, don't deny them. Yes we don't count our hours but what would be our alternatives? Go home while we're HAVING FUN? And I can't picture a workplace where I would be told "Okay, you did your thing. Go home and continue it tomorrow morning." I stay late because I like it, sometimes for the 1Gbps fiber, sometimes because there's still stuff I want to do. Yes, two people could do my job and we could share the hats. But we could also hire 50 people to share the hats and just produce even less.

Stop hating and go slap the companies who really deserve it, all the one who boast their funding, business model, clients, w/ever... and think you're being "arrogant" when you ask for a decent salary.

[EdwardDiego]

> No, actually, fuck YOU.

Why so angry mate?

[joshguthrie]

I'm angry because for the last four days, it's been all about "the PA job posting". It's not even about "hacker" or "news" anymore. It's just about "hey look at us, we're having our weekly scandal and everyone can write a blog post to jump on the bandwagon and cash some visits".

I'm angry because this week, our splendid BBS was just a tech version of US Weekly (or The Sun-Herald if "mate" is any indication of you being Aussie).

[niuzeta]

I can see where you're coming from, though I don't quite share your anger. Let me explain:

When Snowden did his revelation that was pretty much all we talked about. In fact, pretty much everywhere I go was full of the discussions. BBS, blogs, forums, you name it. We recounted where Snowden was at the time, whether he would escape the U.S., whether he would be granted asylum, and so on. The news was very high profile and (in)directly relating to the people, especially the developer community(the hackers, following your diction).

That's the nature of the high profile event. When something of interest happens you want to talk about it, do you grumble about its lack of diversity of topics? Sure, but the stuff was important and we talked about it.

I'm sure at least half of the so-called hackers, (I would prefer the term developers, but I digress) also either play a game, or more obviously, hired. A lot of us have been burned by bad employers and know at least a friend who's been exploited by such bosses.

PA, in this case, hits the two demographics in the center. They are one of the biggest presence in gaming industry and they showed themselves as an exploitive, abusive boss still pretending to be 'the good guys protecting the small'.

To me PA stands in a very bad books because they had a track record of hypocrisy, misogyny, and more importantly, bullying. This is just another record to be added, but you see why people would want to talk about it, and when they have a place to talk about it, sharing the same interests and same demography, they talk about it.

We are all people, and a BBS doesn't define the topics.