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by jessedhillon 4593 days ago
At no point does he structure his argument thus: {Khoo, Penny Arcade, anyone} is {immoral, stupid, lacking in some way} therefore they are wrong.

Absent that, there is no ad hominem. What you have is a discussion of the personalities involved in the enterprise and a speculation as to their motives, methods and the means available to them. All of that is relevant in answering some questions which need to be asked of any job offer: Who will I be working with? Will I be a valued team member? What will the team and workplace dynamics be? How do these people operate?

The term ad hominem means a specific thing. It's not a blanket term for "some people were spoken of in an unflattering way." If you don't like that some personal qualities are discussed and conclusions drawn therefrom, say that you simply dislike discussions which include value judgments about the actions of specific people.

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Actually, the post is {Khoo, Penny Arcade} are shrewd business folks that are looking for a sucker. Don't be the sucker. With lots of exposition on why this author feels they are looking for a sucker.

Hell, we don't even really know what the compensation is for this position. Could be they are willing to pay upwards of 200k. Am I just missing where they are saying this will pay terribly? I saw they are not "money oriented" which is probably true since they have more of it than they can really reason about. Better, they have front row access to what they dreamed about as kids. They don't need the money anymore.

I think something a lot of folks from companies that aren't 20ish people are missing is that they are effectively auditioning someone to come be part of a very close knit crew. Imagine the postings for a recurring role on {insert popular tv show}.

You don't say you're not money oriented in a job posting unless you intend to not pay a competitive salary for the skills you're asking for and the workload you intend.

It's pretty upfront about the fact that if working for Penny Arcade isn't a huge plus point for you, you're not the person for the job. That's supposed to be part of your compensation.

This still says nothing about what they are willing or even expecting to pay. Pretty much all I can infer is that they are not interested in trying to attract people based on seeing a ludicrously high number in a posting.
"Annual Salary: Negotiable, but you should know up front we’re not a terribly money-motivated group. We’re more likely to spend less money on salary and invest that on making your day-to-day life at work better."

Don't ignore that second sentence. If you're interpreting this section as anything other than "shit pay", you're being wildly optimistic.

It's gotten to the point where any time I see someone citing a logical fallacy on the Internet, I can be 99% assured that they don't actually understand it.
I'm proud seeing my law in action :*)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6564689

Ha! I think your law is basically a logical corollary of my law + SIWOTI syndrome.