[Tarang]

This is a bit biased if one is to interpret the incarceration rate as a form of the amount of crime.

Less developed countries look as if they have very little crime. The issue is the justice system cannot cope with the amount of crime or the crime is simply ignored due to corruption, bribery, etc.

[mcv]

It's not about crime, it's specifically about incarceration. The US locks people up for a very long time for very minor crimes (particularly if they're black). There's an industry that requires a steady stream of inmates, and they bribe politicians and judges to provide those inmates.

The true crime doesn't come from the inmates, it comes from the people locking them up.

[matthewmacleod]

Look, I mean... the US justice system has obvious problems. Too many people going to prison, a racial bias, lack of rehabilitation... whatever. You'd be a fool to deny that.

But is this really down to some kind of prison-industrial complex that "bribe[s] politicians and judges to provide inmates"? That seems a little far-fetched.

Let's use Hanlon's razor here - isn't it far more likely that the US incarceration rate is an artefact of endemic inequality, poor education, and a constant desire for politicians to appear "tough on crime"? Do we really need to bring bribes into it?

[redwall_hp]

It definitely happens. I can only think of one concrete case off the top of my head, so here:

>The "kids for cash" scandal unfolded in 2008 over judicial kickbacks at the Luzerne County Court of Common Pleas in Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania. Two judges, President Judge Mark Ciavarella and Senior Judge Michael Conahan, were accused of accepting money from Robert Mericle, builder of two private, for-profit juvenile facilities, in return for contracting with the facilities and imposing harsh sentences on juveniles brought before their courts to increase the number of inmates in the detention centers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids_for_cash_scandal

[mcv]

It's probably both factors added on top of each other. There are other countries where politicians want to appear tough on crime, yet they don't come close to the US in incarcerations.

And the bribery definitely happens. As someone else pointed out already, a juvenile prison bribed judges to convict more kids. But I've also read about a state (Arkansas?) that has a contract with a new privatized prison to provide a guaranteed number of inmates for some time into the future. And you can bet they lobby for tougher sentences too.

Tough on crime can lead to terribly injustice, but for-profit prisons are guaranteed to lead to terrible injustice.

[curiouslurker]

The other thing you are not considering is that incarceration is a business. The company that runs lots of private prisons and detention centers is a major contributor to both political parties.