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by wtvanhest 4596 days ago
Why wouldn't a VC back this and subsidize their business model until they could get critical mass, then sell to retailers and create the first real competitor for the major card companies.

Conversely, if I were MasterCard or visa I would bar merchants from taking this card for my transactions to maintain competitive advantage.
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PeterisP 4596 days ago
Atually, I wouldn't be surprised if the currently existing rules would already bar merchants from taking such a card - technically, this is a cloned card that is not issued by a member of MC or VISA; and there are security rules/training for identifying cloned (blank) cards and refusing/detaining them as fraudulent.
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wtvanhest 4596 days ago
Yeah, actually after I made the comment I realize that that issue of acceptance is probably the reason they are selling this on kickstarter instead of a VC backing it. It may have been identified as a risk during YC and now they are still trying to make it work.

I hope the founder comments on this point. If it is usable and merchant contracts are in place for long enough, this is really cool. If there is a whole in the legal side, this feels like something that may not be ideal to back on kickstarter.

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PeterisP 4596 days ago
In theory, merchants should recognize the Coin as not a valid card according to http://www.mastercard.com/us/merchant/pdf/BM-Entire_Manual_p... part 8.4.2.

Coin apparently aren't a MC/Visa issuer, so they can't claim to issue a valid card or mobile payment device. In addition, merchants are supposed to judge cards by the system logo - and Coin can't have MC or Visa logo if they aren't an issuer, and certainly no card is allowed to have both MC and Visa logo (even if they would technically support both), MC/Visa prohibit that.

On an anecdotal basis, the recommendation given to cashiers when teaching them how to handle cards and detect fraud is not really in-depth but more or less "if you see something suspicious that is not a normal card, call the cops", or something like that.

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wtvanhest 4596 days ago
Interesting. Well I hope the founders worked that part out.

It looks like those cards will create a huge security issue if they are accepted.

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