[AkimChristine]

I'll tell you who. Everyone should decide together. Like mature adults with a brain. This is how society is and always has worked.

Parents decide how to raise their kids.

Bosses decide how their employees will act.

Elected leaders decide on what norms the country will have.

You are promoting a kind of ridiculous individualism that is completely disconnected from reality. No one is an island. We all exist in a community and a society and the rules of our society are determined--ideally--through mutual discussion, thinking, negotiation, agreement.

"Who should decide for someone else?" WTF are you talking about? Society should decide social issues. That's who.

[grandalf]

Not sure if you're trolling or not. Trying to give you the benefit of the doubt but your comments have been killed and now I can't reply to them.

[GudaYakub]

I'm not trolling I'm just ranting. You're not going to change my mind--I've already assumed that you're an uneducated computer nerd with no understanding at all of people or society. I just come here to rant at libertarians. I make a new account every time because if you swear or sound "uncivil" some of the moderators will blackball you.

[grandalf]

How would you define uneducated? Do you consider yourself educated?

Why do you consider yourself someone who understands people?

Also, why do you use profanity in your HN comments. Profanity can certainly add some rhetorical impact at times, but your use of it comes off a bit more like trolling than rhetoric.

[GudaYakub]

I don't give a shit what computer janitors think about my language. I fucking swear because I fucking swear. Real people swear. Swearing is an excellent way to express your distaste.

I'm educated because, factually, I am fucking educated. Computer nerds--even the ones with computer science degrees who are fewer and fewer these days--always receive extremely narrow technical educations and are complete idiots when it comes to anything that isn't code. This is why they are libertarians. Libertarianism is the dumbest mass movement since puritanism. It's utterly bankrupt of culture and can only exist in the minds of people who severely overestimate their knowledge.

I come here to vent my hatred for libertarians. There are lots of libertarians here. They think the best way to solve major social issues is literally to do nothing and have no government, no community, no society. It's the dumbest ideology ever but it's very well funded by Koch, Thiel, etc. The Tea Party and austerity politics are the achievements of libertarians.

In my perfect world libertarian billionaires would be convicted of crimes against humanity and sentenced to death.

[grandalf]

Two comments:

First, the profanity does not add any kind of flourish to your writing. I'm not the least bit offended by profanity. I'm just mentioning to you that your use of it is awkward, like toilet paper stuck to a shoe. Whether I agree with your point or not it just makes it worse than it would have otherwise been and does not add the zing or oomph you apparently think it does. It also feels to me a bit like the way a non-native speaker of English might mimic "everyman" use of profanity he'd seen depicted in a movie.

Second, for someone who claims to value community and society you are not engaging in a constructive discussion or making any kind of argument. If you have any intelligence or education it is certainly not evident from your remarks. No disrespect if you are actually educated or intelligent, but my guess at this point is that you are a 10 year old kid trolling for laughs and trying to learn Ruby on Rails.

[GudaYakub]

Thanks for the feedback on my profanity.

It's not about offending people, it's about venting my feelings. I'm aware that I'm just yelling into a void. But venting is it's own reward.

Also I'm definitely not going to put any thought or work into a hacker news comment. Don't throw your pearls before swine and all that.

What HN never fails to offer up to me is libertarians such as yourself who indulge my rants and raves. So thank you. Like a 50 year old fat man showing his penis on ChatRoulette, your talking to me makes me feel like I have an audience.

[grandalf]

Ironically you describe mutual discussion, thinking, negotiation and agreement and then proceed to list some exact opposites.

[AkimChristine]

You think bosses just spring up out of the ground? Or political leaders? Or parents? All of these authorities are created by society through social processes and their behaviour is determined by social processes. Parents are given authorities XYZ based on social consensus, but denied authority to e.g. abuse their kids. Bosses are given authorities ABC but denied other authorities and so on. These roles are all socially defined and came about through social processes.

"Who should decide?" The appropriate authorities that have been selected by social processes to have that authority. Your question is so fucking dumb because it pretends to be oblivious to the fact that legitimate authorities are put into power precisely because the community has delegated the job of deciding to them.

Your question amounts to saying "It's wrong that the legitimate authorities who have been elected, selected, chosen to decide questions within their sphere are making decisions within their sphere! What right do those legitimate community chosen leaders have to make decisions on behalf of the community!?"

Fucking idiot. The community leaders have the legitimate authority to make the community decisions precisely because the entire purpose of their office, and the reason they were put in that office, is so that they would and could make those decisions.

You're begging the question. "Who should decide?" is a retarded libertarian talking point that just emphasizes how little you understand co-operation and the entire fucking purpose of government.

"Who should decide?" The fucking GOVERNMENT. THAT IS WHY THEY EXIST. TO BE THE ONES WHO DECIDE.

[grandalf]

It appears you share the views and reasoning of Edmund Burke, father of Conservatism.