[ateeqs]

Wait guys, let me get this straight: You guys are not okay with the US government accessing your data that Google has, but you are somehow okay with sharing your data with Google?

I just see big "evil" vs small "evil." I'm not seeing much of a difference.

Also, would you be okay if another government had access to your data in Google's cloud?

You guys are probably not seeing the futility of it all.

[aeturnum]

Shockingly, most people are happier when their data is shared only with the party/(ies) they agreed to share it with. That doesn't mean we're all 100% ok with sharing our data with Google, but as long as we're informed about who gets our data we can think about it. If the data is going to the NSA (and who knows where else), that decision is a lot more complex.

If you think it's futile, I suggest you leave us to our, 'lost cause,' and get on with living in a world where things can't get better at all.

[ateeqs]

Also, realize that the -entire- ecosystem that we have now is probably insecure and will probably be insecure for the foreseeable future.

[ateeqs]

Realize that it's probably just not the US government that has this type of access.

[ryguytilidie]

This false equivalency thing is getting really fucking old. If you can't see the difference between voluntarily giving info to Google and the government literally stealing this info, than just please don't get involved in any discussions about this.

[ateeqs]

Oooh, cursing. That's one way to show your larger than average wiener size in HN, isn't it? ;)

I am not sure I said they were equivalent-- they are two sizes of evil.

Besides, "stealing" is a relative term, and the government does not consider what it is doing as stealing.

[ryguytilidie]

I wasn't trying to show my weiner size. I was frustrated at your point being a pile of disingenuous garbage. People are upset the government is stealing their data. Your brain somehow mashed this together into "lol you idiots have no problem with voluntarily giving your info to a company but DO have a problem with it being stolen?" Is this just a desperate hope to improve your self esteem? Because it certainly has no connection to reality. The idea that you've followed it up with snark as if you think you're remotely close to being right is just really disappointing for our species honestly.

[ateeqs]

Funny, you seem to be "frustrated" a lot. ;)

A lot of peeps in HN seem to have this expectation that their data is somehow secure when they give it to a third-party. This is a completely false and an impossible expectation. To me, this _is_ and has been reality for a while. If an entity with resources really wants to get to your data, they will get to it. It doesn't matter if they steal or get a court order-- that, to them, is just semantics.

I'm not the one having trouble accepting this. It's just everyone suddenly realized this last week.

[ryguytilidie]

Wow, the degree to which you're reaching to make yourself feel to superior to strangers on the internet is honestly pretty scary.

No one "has an expectation that their data is completely secure when they give it to a third party", you literally just made that up. Regardless, this statement is still different from the original implication that people were "stupid" because they would give their data to Google and have the audacity to be upset that the government stole it. But hey, don't let me disrupt your snarky, disingenuous bullshit? Hopefully you pretending strangers on the internet you assigned emotions to are dumb and you are smart helped your issues.

Looking forward to utterly insane snarky sentence that completely ignores that you are laughably incorrect followed with an emoticon! ;)

[ateeqs]

Hehe, given that you have been constantly attacking me so far, I think it's the other way around: I think you feel you are somehow superior to me. :)

You also need to learn to quote properly since I did not claim anyone to be "stupid."

Also, it has not been shown that the government has stolen anything. People are upset that the government has an indirect mechanism to access their data. And I am saying that giving third-party your data implies that other entities will get to it if they want it.

Not looking forward to your ad-hominem reply. ;)

[ateeqs]

I take the "ad-hominem reply" back-- It seems you are at the "name calling" stage of disagreement:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Graham%27s_Hierarchy_of_Di...