[josteink]

whereas Angular pretty much re-envisioned everything.

Angular is the first time I've written a web-app and been completely lost from second one without a fully stateful JavaScript debugger willing to break at any point and letting me inspect the call-stack, parameters and locals.

Everything which was simple about the web up until now, Angular transformed into horrible, black voodoo magic which either just worked or didn't at all.

If that's what "re-envisioned everything" is all about, consider me out.

[gkoberger]

To each their own, I guess. I've rewritten numerous apps in a fraction of the original time (and original line count) using Angular. There's a bit of a learning curve, but once I started "thinking Angular" (aka, if you're touching the DOM you're doing it wrong), it was great.

[erikpukinskis]

> Everything which was simple transformed into horrible, black voodoo magic

That's what radical re-envisionings always look like. Anything that fits easily into your toolbelt is an incremental improvement. That's what the word "radical" means.

The promise is that after doing some hard work to learn new data structures you will be more powerful, but it's certainly your right to be skeptical of that.