[bint]

Yeah, it would not surprise me one bit if all this mayhem in Iran is eventually found to have America's fingerprints all over it.

Remember the Orange Revolution and Yushchenko (the acid-on-face guy) in Ukraine not so long ago?

Quote: 'an American creation, a sophisticated and brilliantly conceived exercise in western branding and mass marketing…'

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/nov/26/ukraine.usa

The situation in Iran, esp. the reaction to the Twittering, strikes me as the exact same thing, especially given the US history in the region covertly bringing down the democratic government of Mossadeq. Israel and therefore America want to destabilise Iran at any cost. They don't want democracy, they want a 'friendly' democracy -- that's the key.

It's been going on covertly and not-so-covertly for a long time:

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2002/09/12/Netanyahu_US_should_a...

[rjurney]

Its not really fair to talk about US meddling in Ukraine during the Orange Revolution without mentioning the overwhelming Russian meddling in Ukraine that it sought to oppose.

[bint]

So because they do it, it's okay for us to do it too? We've moved completely away from the "Trade with all nations and have emnity with none" of the Founders to the Machiavelian games of Brezinski, Kissenger and their friends at the CFR.

Why did the CIA plan and execute a coup against the democratically-elected Hugo Chavez, and attempt to overthow the legitimate democracy in Venezuela? How can it be justified from a non-Machiavelian (i.e. moral) worldview? Can it? The crazy thing is, the US subverts democracy in the name of democracy.

[rjurney]

In case you didn't notice: the FSB took over Russia, and they are evil. They don't have Ukraine's best interest in mind in anything they do. They want to start a civil war, and annex the Russian part of Ukraine.

Can you make such a case for opposing overwhelming foreign intervention in Venezuela? No. Therefore our meddling there was wrong.

Not the same as Russia/Ukraine. We were opposing a takeover in Ukraine.

[cabalamat]

It's extremely unlikely that Mousavi is a US stooge. He's a regime insider who was Prime Minister between 1981 and 1989, and also held the post of Foreign Minister.