[Shish2k]

Didn't come with it, or didn't install it by default?

AFAIK the default virtualenv behaviour has been "create an environment and then automatically and immediately install pip from the internet", so for the last several years they've been practically tied together, even if they were distributed individually.

[jessaustin]

Didn't come with it, or didn't install it by default?

In that the following commands have also been required after running pyvenv-3.3, no, python has not "come with" pip:

  (venv) $ wget http://python-distribute.org/distribute_setup.py
  (venv) $ python distribute_setup.py
  (venv) $ easy_install pip

I believe it has been possible to configure pyvenv to do this automatically, but I've never done that.

[Shish2k]

I was talking about virtualenv, not pyvenv - grandparent saying "virtualenv was released with python 3.3" made it sound like virtualenv was released with python 3.3...

[tbatterii]

i think you are confusing virtualenv with pyvenv which is what came with python 3.3 http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0405/