[rcconf]

How much suffering am I going to reduce from a low carb vegan diet? How well does this diet work for someone like me who needs 3400 calories to build muscle?

Unethical is a strange term of eating animal products. I don't think this "ethical" diet is going to work for me.

[nawitus]

'How much suffering am I going to reduce from a low carb vegan diet?'

I don't know.

'How well does this diet work for someone like me who needs 3400 calories to build muscle?'

Well.

'Unethical is a strange term of eating animal products.'

I don't find it strange to call the slaughter of animals and mistreatment of animals unethical.

[TomGullen]

Admittedly I do think it probably is unethical to eat animals.

However one thing I've always wanted to ask a vegetarian, these animals I'm eating would not exist without demand for them. So so long as I make more efforts to buy organic and well treated animals - is this still unethical? If I had a choice, be born as a chicken on an organic farm or not exist at all I'd definitely pick the chicken option.

[NotOscarWilde]

> If I had a choice, be born as a chicken (...) or not exist at all

Consider all the sperm or eggs you're "wasting" by waiting for the right moment to be a parent -- you are consciously choosing to not give life to many such entities.

Surely those entities, if they had the chance, would try to convince you to create them?

(My point is that this kind of "bad existence vs. no existence" thinking is rather absurd.)

[nawitus]

> So so long as I make more efforts to buy organic and well treated animals - is this still unethical?

Here's a couple of discussions on the topic.

http://www.reddit.com/r/vegan/comments/1kkn05/as_a_non_vegan... http://www.reddit.com/r/vegan/comments/ikg34/can_eggs_ever_b...